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Jan 17, 2007, 6:45 PM
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  Mt. Cardigan NH Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Danielson CT
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| Grivel G14 I'm looking for some opinions. I got a Camel Bak back pack from my sister for my B-Day that I returned because I got a hydration system from my wife for Christmas. OK, so now I have some dough to spend. I was in EMS looking at crampons. There choices at the store where limited, the only ones that looked good were the G14's but look too technical. Would these be overkill for the White Mountains, or are these strictly for ice climbing and glaciers act.... Anyone have any suggestions for brands? |
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Jan 17, 2007, 11:35 PM
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 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Seattle,WA
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| I have the G14s and use them for ice climbing in vertical ice... which is what they're mostly meant for... I have 2 other crampons (Petzl Vasaks and Petzl Sarkens) I use for other conditions/boots. For the stuff in the Whites you won't need 14 point technical crampons. You can use them, but they start out very sharp and catching them on your pants will produce frequent holes. They also have vertical frontpoints, which are good for vertical ice, but don't have as much purchase on snow as horizontal frontpoints. Plus, if you go with G14s you need boots that have a heel and toe bail. These crampons are plenty for most conditions you'll see and will fit any boot: http://www.ems.com/catalog/product_d...=1169097834910 http://www.ems.com/catalog/product_d...=1169097834876 http://www.ems.com/catalog/product_d...=1169098218765 If you do have heel and toe bails then go for the Black Diamond Sabertooths: http://www.ems.com/catalog/product_d...=1169098218769 What crampons do they have at your EMS? What boots do you have? Are you planning on getting into vertical ice in the future? What peaks/trails are you wanting to hike in the Whites?
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Jan 18, 2007, 7:59 AM
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| Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hunter, NY
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| If you get crampons make sure you get an ice axe to self arrest.. I use the Grivel G10 but only so I can fit a snowboard boot... They are wide and use straps.. http://www.backcountry.com/store/GRV...e-Crampon.html I love them...
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Jan 18, 2007, 1:12 PM
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| Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Seattle,WA
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| Ice axe? Black Diamond Raven. http://www.bdel.com/gear/raven.php For sizing, hold it by the head hanging next to you... should be about 1-2" off the ground (with your hiking boots, not barefoot). 70cm works for most folks and most situations (I'm 5'8"). Most of the time you'll be using it as a walking stick (piolet canne) to help with balance anyway. Too short and you won't be able to use it on moderate slopes, too long and it'll feel awkward whenever you have to use it for piolet traction (swinging it like a hammer) and will have to raise it too high for self-belays on steeper slopes.
__________________ Sign, sign everywhere a sign... pointing out the trails, can\'t make up my mind. Last edited by cbcbd; Jan 18, 2007 at 1:24 PM. |
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Jan 18, 2007, 3:29 PM
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| Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hunter, NY
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as cbcbd mentioned.. I have a BD Raven... I use it all the time when I'm on Mt Washington.. If you try and self arrest with cramps and you don't have an ice axe... You may break your leg... So if I have cramps on - I always either have an ice axe or a pole with a whippet...
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Jan 18, 2007, 5:51 PM
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| Mt. Cardigan NH Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Danielson CT
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They only had two brands at EMS, The Grivel G14's and the Camp crampons that looked pretty cheesy. I figured that the Grivels would be over kill. As of now i don't plan on ice climbing. The guy in EMS showed me that the Grivel G14's worked with regular leather boots. Most the stuff in the whites will be the NH 48's, although i don't plan on hiking Washington or Jefferson, or any substancial snow fields. I currently own older pair of crampons, but not an ice axe, and wanted to up grade my crampons.... Thanks for the 411! | |
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Jan 18, 2007, 6:08 PM
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| Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hunter, NY
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That what I yelled to my friend Elwood as he slid down the Right Gully at Tucks with cramps and no axe. At first I yelled "USE YOU AXE" but his axe was on his pack..  I then yelled for him to roll over onto his pack and "FEET UP".. He took some krumholtz to the face but missed and rocks...
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Jan 18, 2007, 6:16 PM
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| Mt. Cardigan NH Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Danielson CT
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Thanks for the advise.... | |
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Jan 18, 2007, 6:27 PM
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