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| Nassahegan, CT: 10/13 Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Thomaston, CT
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| [ News ] Mount Sunapee Expansion Controversy SOURCE Quote:
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| In the Whites Aug 2008 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: East/Central MA
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| On the one hand, I can't really argue with the SPNHF guy when he says there's no compelling public interest that is served. Further development needs to be sensitive to local residents and the pressures on infrastructure that must be built. Small towns like Goshen can get over-extended or worse, exploited, if the return on their investment isn't timely. If, however, the Muellers are putting up the cash to make the improvements, the land grant could really help boost the state's investment. The Muellers have a tremendous track record, and seem like careful stewards of the land they use. Personally, I don't see "ski sprawl" as a major problem in the state. Vermont and Colorado have many much larger ski resorts than NH, and they seem to want as many ski dollars as they can get. Winter tourism is a major industry that puts people to work. I'm for it........I love Sunapee and think a major resort closer to my neck of the woods would be great. |
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If this isn't in the public interest, then how can one explain away the funding that the Sunapee lease provides for other (mostly money losing) parks in NH, including Cannon? Is the survival and upkeep of those parks not in the public interest? Furthermore, even if you take the worst case scenario figures for taxes generated vs. extra costs incurred for Goshen and Newbury, the taxes are still double the costs. Again, that's the worst case scenario as presented in this article. Is a surplus of incremental revenues over expenses "not in the public interest"? And what of the other visitors to local hotels, restaurants, and retailers who would be drawn by the larger Mt. Sunapee? Would the incremental revenues they would see be classified as being "not in the public interest"? Many of the opponents of this expansion rely on ridiculous slippery slope arguments ("if they allow this, then what's next?" or "we don't want to be Okemo-ized") to back their case. The fact is that Goshen, Newbury, and Sunapee have little chance of morphing into Ludlow anytime soon. The topography and geography, and demography are just completely different. Moreover, if/when the West Bowl project is completed, Sunapee is pretty much kaput for further expansion. AFAIK, expansion beyond Wingding in the Sun Bowl is out of the question due to old growth in that area, so full build out will be able to support perhaps 350-400K skiers per year if they are really, really lucky. Mind you, I wouldn't want to get near a mountain that small with that many skiers on it, but that would still be only 60% as large as Okemo. | |
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| Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Mont Vernon NH
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| After taking some time to read the articles listed herein, walking around the mountain last weekend and reviewing notes with maps of the area, I am inclined to favor the Society for the Protection of New Hampshire Forests view of things. I believe that public parks should benefit the general good of the public and not the financial benefit of a small group. In this case the sole beneficiary will be mountain operations leaseholder and the proposed housing owner(s). The operator is a ski operations business that apparently was given sufficient time to evaluate risk & reward beforehand and if they didn’t and they fail in the endeavor because of entrepreneurial risk, so be it. It’s business…. |
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That horse is out of the barn already. By signing the original lease, the State of NH essentially decided to use Sunapee State Park for the benefit of a private group - in this case the Muellers. Now, you may argue that all of the citizens of NH benefit from that lease due to the upgrades to Sunapee's facilities and the lease payments funding other parks. If that's your argument, I'm not sure how you distinguish it from the debate over whether to extend that lease for this development. Yes, much of the benefit goes to a private party. OTOH, the state gets increased lease payments for its other parks, and the Sunapee region can expect more tourist dollars due to a more attractive facility drawing in more skiers. What's the difference b/w signing the original lease (which nearly everyone will stipulate has been a huge success) and extending it to enable this project? | |
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