Whiteface: What else besides the Slides?

[ski_resort_observer]

Originally Posted by tjf67

That is not correct but what ever floats you grilled cheese sandwich

LMAO

[campgottagopee]

What else besides slides???? That ones easy for me. Just the fact that they've help 2 friggin Olympic games ther would be enough for ANYONE to want to go there. There truely is something special about Whiteface and that fact. Maybe it's just me, but I don't think so. I know I'm a fan of the place and all, but it always confuses the hell out of me when people say there's limited terrain. Just don't get it.

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

Originally Posted by campgottagopee

What else besides slides???? That ones easy for me. Just the fact that they've help 2 friggin Olympic games ther would be enough for ANYONE to want to go there. There truely is something special about Whiteface and that fact. Maybe it's just me, but I don't think so. I know I'm a fan of the place and all, but it always confuses the hell out of me when people say there's limited terrain. Just don't get it.

Look at the actual trail acerage of Whiteface...It's 211 acres..look at the miles of terrain..about 20..compare that to mid sized VT ski areas. I used to ski Whiteface with my ski club in High School every winter..and I had a ball but you can ski all the runs on the mountain..twice in a day...For intermediates there's really just 1-2 routes down from each side...It's a high mountain in Vertical but it's very narrow horizontally. Plus they average half as much snowfall as VT mountains at the same latitude...For the drivetime Whiteface is not worth it for me..

[L2RAFO]

Originally Posted by GrilledSteezeSandwich

Look at the actual trail acerage of Whiteface...It's 211 acres..look at the miles of terrain..about 20..compare that to mid sized VT ski areas. I used to ski Whiteface with my ski club in High School every winter..and I had a ball but you can ski all the runs on the mountain..twice in a day...For intermediates there's really just 1-2 routes down from each side...It's a high mountain in Vertical but it's very narrow horizontally. Plus they average half as much snowfall as VT mountains at the same latitude...For the drivetime Whiteface is not worth it for me..

Listen, I get that you don't get Whiteface, but I really wish you'd stop poisoning the facts. Show me the stats on the snowfall, and, if it's all based on natural, get over yourself, because the East hasn't been able to be assessed by natural snowfalls for ages. In our current situation it's all about being able to come up with the manmade, and creative grooming. If we were talking 10-15 years ago, you might have a chance of making that discussion stick. Lately, bite me. We've had people showing up for the last three seasons from Stowe, Killington, Sugarbush, and even Jay paying a buck even though they all had passes from everywhere else because we had the best conditions.

You want to talk terrain, fine; I hang at Whiteface because I hate the typical pitch 'n roll, pitch 'n roll, pitch 'n roll crap so consistent in Vt. Vt may have more acreage, but, to me, it's the same old story. I get a short pitch, and then a long roll out over, and over, and over again. You prefer it, I get it, but you can't compare the two as similar, and call Whiteface lacking because it doesn't post the same stats on acreage.

Agree to disagree, but don't talk about what you clearly haven't thought out.

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

Originally Posted by L2RAFO

Listen, I get that you don't get Whiteface, but I really wish you'd stop poisoning the facts. Show me the stats on the snowfall, and, if it's all based on natural, get over yourself, because the East hasn't been able to be assessed by natural snowfalls for ages. In our current situation it's all about being able to come up with the manmade, and creative grooming. If we were talking 10-15 years ago, you might have a chance of making that discussion stick. Lately, bite me. We've had people showing up for the last three seasons from Stowe, Killington, Sugarbush, and even Jay paying a buck even though they all had passes from everywhere else because we had the best conditions.

You want to talk terrain, fine; I hang at Whiteface because I hate the typical pitch 'n roll, pitch 'n roll, pitch 'n roll crap so consistent in Vt. Vt may have more acreage, but, to me, it's the same old story. I get a short pitch, and then a long roll out over, and over, and over again. You prefer it, I get it, but you can't compare the two as similar, and call Whiteface lacking because it doesn't post the same stats on acreage.

Agree to disagree, but don't talk about what you clearly haven't thought out.

I think you're comparing Whiteface to southern Vermont...I'm comparing it to Northern Vermont..I lived in Burlington VT for 4 years and Stowe got dumped on hardcore when Whiteface got a few inches..If Whiteface mountain was 50 miles east..it would be alot better in terms of snowfall. As far as I know..natural snowfall in the past 15 years as been consistant with long term averages in New England and New York..I definitely believe that Stowe and Sugarbush are steeper than Whiteface..I'll need to check some online stats for the consenus...But with only a few ways down from the top..Whiteface is lacking for how long of a drive it is from the masses...

[takeahike46er]

It can be argued that Whiteface is limited in the amount of terrain that it offers. As GSS pointed out, it is a small mountain relative to its large continuous vertical. While the vertical allows you to string together many different possible runs to the mid or base, you ultimately do so on a handfull of trails. If you are an intermediate skier, someone that loves to ski bumps all day, or you only ski tree runs, Whiteface may not be your thing. It's not that it doesn't offer these skiers something, it just doesn't have a lot of these things to offer. Skiers that love long, steep groomers and like to dabble in everything else (trees, bumps, terrain parks) might fall in love with the place.

Regarding the snowfall, I'm aware that it receives less than N. Vermont. But the snowfall amounts greatly increase once you get to mid-mountain and up-- where the natural snow really matters. The upper mountain is constantly getting refreshed with up-slope, usually with the same frequency as N. Vermont (no joke, compare ski reports). Yeah, the base at 1200' in a tight mountain pass might not be cashing in, but the upper mountain, two to three thousand feet above, does better than many people on this board realise.

[takeahike46er]

Originally Posted by GrilledSteezeSandwich

Stowe and Sugarbush are steeper than Whiteface..I'll need to check some online stats for the consenus

Steeper maybe in short bursts. For consistent pitch you need only look to the lifts that service the terrain. For consistent pitch over significant vert, the Summit Quad at Whiteface certainly takes the cake.

Steepest lifts at their respective mountain:

Whiteface-- Summit Quad: 26 degrees, 1852' vertical
Sugarbush-- Heaven's Gate 22 degrees, 1444' vertical
Stowe-- Four Runner 19 degrees, 2040' vertical

Source: skistats.com

[ComeBackMudPuddles]

Originally Posted by L2RAFO

As always, all of this stuff is subjective. I prefer Snowbird while my good friends prefer Aspen. Do I still have a great time skiing The Highlands, and hangin' in the fru-fru scene that is part of that town when I visit them, you bet. The thing that gets me is when somebody says, "I think oranges are the best, and you're out of your fruit eatin' mind to prefer apples!" Who cares; lots of tasty fruit out there, and everybody's gonna' like some of it more than others.

Meh. I don't subscribe to the touchy-feely zen-like theory of "everyone is entitled to their opinion on everything." There are some absolute truths in this world, plain and simple. For example, murder is bad. Always. Another is that Whiteface is the best.

[trtaylor]

All this thread has done is make me want to ski Whiteface this year.

[tjf67]

Originally Posted by GrilledSteezeSandwich

Look at the actual trail acerage of Whiteface...It's 211 acres..look at the miles of terrain..about 20..compare that to mid sized VT ski areas. I used to ski Whiteface with my ski club in High School every winter..and I had a ball but you can ski all the runs on the mountain..twice in a day...For intermediates there's really just 1-2 routes down from each side...It's a high mountain in Vertical but it's very narrow horizontally. Plus they average half as much snowfall as VT mountains at the same latitude...For the drivetime Whiteface is not worth it for me..

Grilled Cheese you amuse and annoy me at the same time. You are not correct again.