Stupid things I have seen people do ..

[JimG.]

Originally Posted by drjeff

When most of your press releases involve disclosure of shorter seasons, lift/trail/lodge closures mid-week, increased ski program costs, instead of how they plan to offer up an improved skiing experience, I'm sorry but especially in this competitve ski market where Killington is lagging behind in tangible off season improvements to the other former ASC resorts, their actions are lacking and seem to go directly against what the core customer that made Killington what it is wants, and bottom line its easier to retain a long term customer than create a long term customer.

Short version of your answer is that you are not patient and won't give them a chance.

And that's fine. And remember, I only stir the pot. I am not defending POWDR or Killington.

And I'm no Killington regular, nor am I a property owner there. I am blissfully ignorant of the feelings some are experiencing. But I know plenty of Killington regulars who do own there, some who just bought or upgraded. Some are my neighbors. And they do not think like you do. Not at all.

So I continue to wait to see the resort open to judge how it will be operated. And for the other shoe that may drop at the former ASC resorts you say are doing all these wonderful things. Because none of that really matters to me.

To me, it is ALL ABOUT THE SNOW AND THE SKIING. And so far nobody has blown me away with either of those 2 services.

[hammer]

I've seen people hijack threads with discussions on ski ownership changes and their impacts...



(runs and hides)

[JimG.]

No sir, do not run.

I am done.

[drjeff]

Originally Posted by JimG.

Short version of your answer is that you are not patient and won't give them a chance.

And that's fine. And remember, I only stir the pot. I am not defending POWDR or Killington.

And I'm no Killington regular, nor am I a property owner there. I am blissfully ignorant of the feelings some are experiencing. But I know plenty of Killington regulars who do own there, some who just bought or upgraded. Some are my neighbors. And they do not think like you do. Not at all.

So I continue to wait to see the resort open to judge how it will be operated. And for the other shoe that may drop at the former ASC resorts you say are doing all these wonderful things. Because none of that really matters to me.

To me, it is ALL ABOUT THE SNOW AND THE SKIING. And so far nobody has blown me away with either of those 2 services.

It just seems plan dumb to me that as a new owner that spent a bunch of $$ and bought an icon that just about anyone who's ever skied/riden in the East is aware of, including its reputation for 1st to open/last to close, and then one of the first thing you do is announce that one of the key elements that defined Killington and built its reputation is now gone.

Seriously, how good a move is it that Killington ISN'T in the mix right now for whose going to be open this weekend???? Especially with most skiers/riders not aware of all the changes in ownership this off season, all they'll see is the other ski areas that will be open this weekend advertising and wonder why the staple of Eastern early snow sliding isn't open yet.

Dumb move

[tcharron]

Originally Posted by JimG.

No sir, do not run.

I am done.

Yea, but he's not.

[Hawkshot99]

Originally Posted by drjeff

Seriously, how good a move is it that Killington ISN'T in the mix right now for whose going to be open this weekend???? Especially with most skiers/riders not aware of all the changes in ownership this off season, all they'll see is the other ski areas that will be open this weekend advertising and wonder why the staple of Eastern early snow sliding isn't open yet.

Dumb move

even with all the weirdos on here, and the real die hards who would go to K, I doubt they seriously make up much of the amount of money that the mountain makes. We have passes, or find ways to ski cheaper. Plus the huge numbers of 5-10 day trips a year people that go there don't care if there is no early/late season.

As bad as you see these decisions by Powder, have you evaluated how it will actually affect them? Or do you assume all people are like you, die hards who it may effect?

[drjeff]

Originally Posted by Hawkshot99

even with all the weirdos on here, and the real die hards who would go to K, I doubt they seriously make up much of the amount of money that the mountain makes. We have passes, or find ways to ski cheaper. Plus the huge numbers of 5-10 day trips a year people that go there don't care if there is no early/late season.

As bad as you see these decisions by Powder, have you evaluated how it will actually affect them? Or do you assume all people are like you, die hards who it may effect?

It's that 5 to 10 day a year crowd that will be affected by these descisons. When the family with young kids who have been going to Killington since mom/dad were in college/early 20 somethings for a few long weekends a ski season call up and find that their per day childcare costs have almost doubled, that will atleast make them look elsewhere. When the family who takes one non holiday ski week a year shows up and finds that Skyeship doesn't run to the base all week and the daily services at KBL are cut back mid week, that very well may have them NOT coming back the following season. Remember the 5 to 10 day a skier generally will pay as much attention to off snow services as on snow quality.

Look, I realize that change needs to happen, and frankly am all for change in many circumstances, but from a business standpoint, in this very dynamic Eastern market where multiple new owners are making their new eastern aquistions very attractive to the consumer with many new things, Killington's short term plan of cutting back goes a long way to distinguishing themselves from the competition, and while it may not show too much this season, in all likelyhood it will question folks decison to return the following year.

I think we can agree to disagree on this one.

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

Bumpity

[billski]

Driving in Massachusetts.....

[drjeff]

Originally Posted by GrilledSteezeSandwich

Bumpity

Cool, I'll stand by my rambles of my posts above from 6 months ago!