Killington arresting skiers?

[AdironRider]

Originally Posted by tcharron

If someone hurts themselves, it would have to be proven that there was negligence on the part of the actual ski area. Regardless of ANY sort of situation, negligence is key. If someone hikes around Killington, doesn't see the signs, and hikes down and ends up stepping on a live power line on the ground that they new was there, there's negligent, regardless of what kind of silly signs they put up in a parking lot. And harassing people because the mountain is 'closed' in their opinion isn't going to help them with that argument.

So if Killington doesnt put up a sign, then some skier/hiker hits a slightly covered snowmaking hose, etc and blows out an ACL you dont think thatd hold up as negligence in court? Get it through your head man, Killington is just trying to cover their ass.

[tcharron]

Originally Posted by AdironRider

So if Killington doesnt put up a sign, then some skier/hiker hits a slightly covered snowmaking hose, etc and blows out an ACL you dont think thatd hold up as negligence in court? Get it through your head man, Killington is just trying to cover their ass.

Putting up a sign saying 'At your own risk, BEWARE!' is different then, 'The mountain is closed' and paying people to actually chase after individuals and threaten to confiscate their skis, passes.

Here's a simpler difference.

"Maybe they should treat customers as people instead of poachers?"

vs

"This thread is closed. Any disagreements with me will lead to termination of your thread replying rights, and possible confiscation of your keyboard"

[AdironRider]

Originally Posted by tcharron

Putting up a sign saying 'At your own risk, BEWARE!' is different then, 'The mountain is closed' and paying people to actually chase after individuals and threaten to confiscate their skis, passes.

Here's a simpler difference.

"Maybe they should treat customers as people instead of poachers?"

vs

"This thread is closed. Any disagreements with me will lead to termination of your thread replying rights, and possible confiscation of your keyboard"

Considering they ARENT customers when theyre trying to hike for turns for free, I dont get your argument. This is no different then them closing trails during the actual ski season.

[atkinson]

"Considering they ARENT customers when theyre trying to hike for turns for free, I dont get your argument."

Thus proving that you are missing the whole point of the ski industry, to get people so excited about skiing that they actually love to ski. Even in marginal November conditions. Even in April. Even when it's cold or icy. Or even when they have to hike for it.

Do you really not see a connection between people coming to the mountain to ski and more income for local businesses, including the resorts themselves? Please don't start with "all hikers are dirtbags" either.

John

[AdironRider]

I never said hikers are dirtbags, I do the same thing every season. But I wouldnt get mad if the resort I was trying to hike said no. Id head to the actual backcountry or a resort that is more accomodating. Left gully in Tux is skable right now. THats 10x the experience of some half completed snowmaking trail at K.

Given that the hikers are trying to use the resorts assets (snowmaking, trails etc) for nothing right now, in conjunction with the increased attitude that noone wants to go to K or give them any money (a facet Im sure Killington is aware of now) I dont blame them for closing down. Do car companies let you take their cars out and beat the shit out of them for nothing just to get you excited about the automobile industry? Do amusment parks let you ride rides for free in the winter to get you excited about the summer season? No and no. How is it any different for the ski industry?

[tcharron]

Originally Posted by AdironRider

Considering they ARENT customers when theyre trying to hike for turns for free, I dont get your argument. This is no different then them closing trails during the actual ski season.

Your completely correct. They aren't customers. And Killington Peak and the peaks around it aren't on Killington owned land. I also happen to not agree with the yanking of passes for skiing a closed trail. I do believe in 'Trail Closed, pass at your own risk'

[bobbutts]

Killington is not groundless in trying to keep people away from what's essentially a work zone.
It does seem to be poor judgement to me to make a problem where there wasn't one in the past though. Don't ask don't tell seems like a more reasonable policy if they don't want to look like jerks. Kick off people on an as-needed basis.

[tcharron]

Originally Posted by AdironRider

I never said hikers are dirtbags, I do the same thing every season. But I wouldnt get mad if the resort I was trying to hike said no. Id head to the actual backcountry or a resort that is more accomodating. Left gully in Tux is skable right now. THats 10x the experience of some half completed snowmaking trail at K.

Given that the hikers are trying to use the resorts assets (snowmaking, trails etc) for nothing right now, in conjunction with the increased attitude that noone wants to go to K or give them any money (a facet Im sure Killington is aware of now) I dont blame them for closing down. Do car companies let you take their cars out and beat the shit out of them for nothing just to get you excited about the automobile industry? Do amusment parks let you ride rides for free in the winter to get you excited about the summer season? No and no. How is it any different for the ski industry?

All of those are arguments based on ownership. Nearly all of the Killington resort is on public land. People are choosing to do this at Killington BECAUSE it's on public land. Do you see throngs of people swarming to ANY other ski area to do this? Newp. Killington was built around the concept of being part of peoples life. Part of Vermont skiing. I know, others will disagree and say other mountains are part of it, but Killington was BUILT UP around this concept and this feeling.

[tjf67]

Its my own fault I read these things.

KILLINGTON SUCKS
KILLINGTON HAS ALWAYS SUCKED
KILLINGTON WILL CONTINUE TO SUCK.


If you have any other questions let me know

[tcharron]

Originally Posted by tjf67

Its my own fault I read these things.

KILLINGTON SUCKS
KILLINGTON HAS ALWAYS SUCKED
KILLINGTON WILL CONTINUE TO SUCK.


If you have any other questions let me know

I only have one..

How do you feel about Killington?