Boot Weight

[lloyd braun]

Greg,

I ski the Saloman Falcon 10 for its fit and performance, but what I realized quickly is that it is considerably lighter than most other boots on the market. You should give it a look-see

Lloyd

http://lonelyplanet.altrec.com/shop/detail/31551/

[Marc]

Originally Posted by awf170

My whole setup is only 18 pounds.

Including you?

[tjf67]

If you start looking into it most of the weight is in the bindings. AC3 are not that heavy. It the binding attached to them.

unless you are bootpacking all day long the weight of the boot IMO never plays a role.

The AT boots that people are talking about get the crap beat out of them in resorts. They are not meant to be beat up that much. I would rather boot pack with my alpine boots with the extra weight and get the performance out of them vs the lighter at boot with its wishy washy feel.

[riverc0il]

tjf67, take a look at the latest upper end stiff AT boots. To suggest all AT boots have a wishy washy feel is not accurate. There are many AT boots that are stiffer than most Alpine boots now, unreal.

I still maintain people suggesting boot weight is negligible do not have big feet and thus the difference between a heavy boot and light weight boot is negligible. For me, the difference between my Alpine and AT boot is 5 pounds which is as much as some Apline boots weight in smaller sizes.

The motion binding systems, such as the AC3, definitely are a huge amount of weight. As mentioned before, a flat mounted ski is much lighter than a motion system. Bindings have become damn heavy. Weight of ski is also a factor and certainly swing weight is an issue. But skis begin equal, boot weight can be significant, not just on the up hill but also skiing. If you are railing groomers, you will never noticed. If you are bumping all day or doing advanced terrain that requires jump turns and advanced ability, boot weight will certainly be a factor and higher boot weight does contribute to fatigue and lowers performance later in the day. Not saying it is more significant than binding or ski weight, but certainly a factor, especially all other things being equal.

[tjf67]

tjf67, take a look at the latest upper end stiff AT boots. To suggest all AT boots have a wishy washy feel is not accurate. There are many AT boots that are stiffer than most Alpine boots now, unreal.

I said it wrong. I dont care what AT boot you get if you are a charger you are going to wreck them inside the ropes.

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[riverc0il]

That is untrue for the stiffer end of the spectrum. AT Boot manufacturers are currently beefing up their lines considerably to the point that several AT boots are stiffer than Alpine. JimG has made the Garmont Adrenelines work inside the ropes and that is two boots down from Garmonts stiffest. Lots of AT people (chargers) are looking for boots to do both touring and skiing at areas. Personally, I think too much emphasis has recently been put on ultra stiff AT boots. Look at the specs on the Garmont Shamen (no tour mode!) or Scarpa Tornado. These boots are meant for in bounds use inside the ropes.

[tjf67]

Originally Posted by riverc0il

That is untrue for the stiffer end of the spectrum. AT Boot manufacturers are currently beefing up their lines considerably to the point that several AT boots are stiffer than Alpine. JimG has made the Garmont Adrenelines work inside the ropes and that is two boots down from Garmonts stiffest. Lots of AT people (chargers) are looking for boots to do both touring and skiing at areas. Personally, I think too much emphasis has recently been put on ultra stiff AT boots. Look at the specs on the Garmont Shamen (no tour mode!) or Scarpa Tornado. These boots are meant for in bounds use inside the ropes.

My buddy speant 700 or so bucks on the Adrenelines last year and they are shot. . By Feb of last year he went out and bought a pair of Nordicas. If you could build a lighter AT boot that had all the performance of a alpine boot then why would they continue to make alpine boots?


Not looking to argue but heck what esle is there to do.

[tjf67]

Originally Posted by riverc0il

That is untrue for the stiffer end of the spectrum. AT Boot manufacturers are currently beefing up their lines considerably to the point that several AT boots are stiffer than Alpine. JimG has made the Garmont Adrenelines work inside the ropes and that is two boots down from Garmonts stiffest. Lots of AT people (chargers) are looking for boots to do both touring and skiing at areas. Personally, I think too much emphasis has recently been put on ultra stiff AT boots. Look at the specs on the Garmont Shamen (no tour mode!) or Scarpa Tornado. These boots are meant for in bounds use inside the ropes.

BTW both those boots are new for this year i believe.

[Marc]

Originally Posted by tjf67

My buddy speant 700 or so bucks on the Adrenelines last year and they are shot. . By Feb of last year he went out and bought a pair of Nordicas. If you could build a lighter AT boot that had all the performance of a alpine boot then why would they continue to make alpine boots?


Not looking to argue but heck what esle is there to do.

How does one go through boots like that? Run them over with one's car?

[tjf67]

You get to much play in them. Like Jim G stated he likes a little play in his boot. Probably like most uf us like a little play in our pants but most proficient skiers dont want that.