Cute 7-year old sued by grumpy old skier

ComeBackMudPuddles · Jan 2, 2008, 10:35 AM

Grumpy old man sues 7-year old for running into him on the ski slopes:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n3665993.shtml

I'm a bit conflicted about this one. Yes, the kid is just a kid, but, generally speaking, the law holds parents responsible in this context for their kids, and Colorado law appears to hold kids equally responsible for their acts as adults are. It doesn't seem like the grandpa is looking to win big here. He just needs some help.

But, the next time a kid hits a baseball through a neighbor's window and the dad refuses to pay, do we all really want lawsuits?

I'm looking forward to getting my son skiing in a couple of years. Can't wait for the lawsuits!

Warp Daddy · Jan 2, 2008, 11:19 AM

Easy to criticize but walk in the guys shoes > A 60 year old body doesn't mend fast or necessarily well . The kid is cute but the accident is still a reality.

Pain , suffering and perhaps economic loss DID occur and all the HEAT over it by the couch potato public-----------ain't changing that fact

GrilledSteezeSandwich · Jan 2, 2008, 11:49 AM

The 60 year old is from my town..he's going to win..it's the kids fault..and this is like a month old//

Warp Daddy · Jan 2, 2008, 11:52 AM

Interesting -------------I'm betting on a SLAM DUNK

hiroto · Jan 2, 2008, 12:41 PM

Cute? 2,3 years old maybe, but 7 years old on skies are not cute.
They can have pretty destructive power. If my kids harm anybody on
the slope, I would feel pretty responsible for their act.

**bvibert** · Jan 2, 2008, 1:13 PM

I fail to see what the cuteness of the kid has to do with anything. If he was ugly would that mean the old guy could sue him all he wants???

Warp Daddy · Jan 2, 2008, 1:14 PM

Good for you Dad( hiroto) that' sthe RIGHT example to set !

If more folks accepted responsibility for their actions we'd be a stronger society

tree_skier · Jan 2, 2008, 1:28 PM

Chalat said that after the crash, Pfahler asked the Swimm family to help pay his $35,000 of medical bills but never heard back. The lawsuit seeks compensation for physical therapy, vacation time, nursing and medical services provided by Pfahler's wife, and other expenses.

Ok so he doesn't have insurance to help pay the $35,000? and what were the injuries that resulted in $35,000 in bills and how much did his wife charge him for "nursing and medical services"? Sounds a little like he is trying for a money grab.

hiroto · Jan 2, 2008, 1:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bvibert

I fail to see what the cuteness of the kid has to do with anything. If he was ugly would that mean the old guy could sue him all he wants???

I was just commenting on the title of the thread. It implies "cute boy -> innocent",
"grumpy old -> evil", jumping to conclusion. I cannot agree with the implication
that 7 years old kid is innocent by default.

This article has more info.

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_7807713

Reader comments of the article is informative too. Interestingly
there is a comment from a guy who claim to have sued by the same
lawyer for the act of his son.

**bvibert** · Jan 2, 2008, 1:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hiroto

I was just commenting on the title of the thread. It implies "cute boy -> innocent",
"grumpy old -> evil", jumping to conclusion. I cannot agree with the implication
that 7 years old kid is innocent by default.

My comment wasn't directed at you, but rather at the thread title...

Jan 2, 2008, 10:35 AM	#1 (permalink)
ComeBackMudPuddles My name is Roni. Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,613	Cute 7-year old sued by grumpy old skier Grumpy old man sues 7-year old for running into him on the ski slopes: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n3665993.shtml I'm a bit conflicted about this one. Yes, the kid is just a kid, but, generally speaking, the law holds parents responsible in this context for their kids, and Colorado law appears to hold kids equally responsible for their acts as adults are. It doesn't seem like the grandpa is looking to win big here. He just needs some help. But, the next time a kid hits a baseball through a neighbor's window and the dad refuses to pay, do we all really want lawsuits? I'm looking forward to getting my son skiing in a couple of years. Can't wait for the lawsuits!

Jan 2, 2008, 11:19 AM	#2 (permalink)
Warp Daddy The Teefster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 4,248	Easy to criticize but walk in the guys shoes > A 60 year old body doesn't mend fast or necessarily well . The kid is cute but the accident is still a reality. Pain , suffering and perhaps economic loss DID occur and all the HEAT over it by the couch potato public-----------ain't changing that fact __________________ Surround yourself with Positivity , Live Life , Collect Friends not Stuff and Avoid Negative Nuts

Jan 2, 2008, 11:49 AM	#3 (permalink)
GrilledSteezeSandwich Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 15,961	The 60 year old is from my town..he's going to win..it's the kids fault..and this is like a month old// __________________ 93 days so far,,over 1,533,000 vertical feet. Blue mountain, Big Boulder, Jack Frost, Sugarbush, Grand Targhee, Jackson Hole, Killington, Stowe, Camelback, Hunter and Pocono Backcountry.

Jan 2, 2008, 11:52 AM	#4 (permalink)
Warp Daddy The Teefster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 4,248	Interesting -------------I'm betting on a SLAM DUNK __________________ Surround yourself with Positivity , Live Life , Collect Friends not Stuff and Avoid Negative Nuts

Jan 2, 2008, 1:13 PM	#6 (permalink)
bvibert Too far forward?? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Torrington, CT Posts: 16,609	I fail to see what the cuteness of the kid has to do with anything. If he was ugly would that mean the old guy could sue him all he wants??? __________________ Brian 09 MTB - 4/5(4.7),4/19(~6.5),5/1(6.0),5/3(10.3),5/11(6.7),5/13(6.4),5/18(12.5),5/20(~6.5),5/24(11.8),5/26(7.3),5/31(8.3),6/2(6.8),6/7(15.2),6/10(6.8),6/16(6.1),6/30(5.1) SAC Tracker - Tramdock Tracker - Chainlove Tracker - WhiskeyMilitia Tracker - BonkTown Tracker - Brociety Tracker

Jan 2, 2008, 12:41 PM	#5 (permalink)
hiroto Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newton, MA Posts: 400	Cute? 2,3 years old maybe, but 7 years old on skies are not cute. They can have pretty destructive power. If my kids harm anybody on the slope, I would feel pretty responsible for their act.

Jan 2, 2008, 1:14 PM	#7 (permalink)
Warp Daddy The Teefster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 4,248	Good for you Dad( hiroto) that' sthe RIGHT example to set ! If more folks accepted responsibility for their actions we'd be a stronger society __________________ Surround yourself with Positivity , Live Life , Collect Friends not Stuff and Avoid Negative Nuts

Jan 2, 2008, 1:28 PM	#8 (permalink)
tree_skier Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: SOUTHERN VERMONT Posts: 1,250	Chalat said that after the crash, Pfahler asked the Swimm family to help pay his $35,000 of medical bills but never heard back. The lawsuit seeks compensation for physical therapy, vacation time, nursing and medical services provided by Pfahler's wife, and other expenses. Ok so he doesn't have insurance to help pay the $35,000? and what were the injuries that resulted in $35,000 in bills and how much did his wife charge him for "nursing and medical services"? Sounds a little like he is trying for a money grab.

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