Let's focus on Suburus for a second.

[urban07sti]

I'd give my left AND right nut, plus a few bucks

You could have a similar setup with the Subaru STI.....flat 4, 6 speed, 300HP, lots more power than that Diesel and incredible AWD with DCCD. There is a toggle switch where the driver can control how the AWD system behaves. Only the STI has this in subaru's. Granted, you would have to put up with the large wing and other items, but for me it's a sweet car. Can be had for low $30K's....last weekend driving up to the 'bush in that storm friday night it was a beast, no problems at all.

[BeanoNYC]

Originally Posted by bvibert

I'd give my left AND right nut, plus a few bucks...

They are not yours to give away. Those nuts belong to severine.

[wa-loaf]

Originally Posted by urban07sti

You could have a similar setup with the Subaru STI.....flat 4, 6 speed, 300HP, lots more power than that Diesel and incredible AWD with DCCD. There is a toggle switch where the driver can control how the AWD system behaves. Only the STI has this in subaru's. Granted, you would have to put up with the large wing and other items, but for me it's a sweet car. Can be had for low $30K's....last weekend driving up to the 'bush in that storm friday night it was a beast, no problems at all.

Meh, I'm not interest in an over turbo'd rice burner. I want a wagon I can load a bunch of stuff in that has reasonable power, is sporty, comfortable, has awd and gets good gas mileage. My Outback is fine for me. The VW would be nice, but it's not gonna happen unless I move to Germany.

[urban07sti]

Fair enough, however the STI is not really a rice-burner although most people just think of it as one. It does not sound like a riced out Civic, the flat 4 has a nice rumble to it. I have a yakima rack and can fit everyone's gear. Granted the ride is stiffer than most cars, but it's a really fun car to drive, not to mention safe and I get pretty solid gas mileage it in. To each his own. If they made a STI wagon I would consider one.....nothing better than keeping up with true "sports" car in a wagon haha.

[wa-loaf]

Originally Posted by urban07sti

I have a yakima rack and can fit everyone's gear.

You probably don't have two kids and a dog.

[urban07sti]

Hahaha, no not at all. Just my buddies I ski with and their gf's that we make squeeze in the backseat.

[campgottagopee]

Originally Posted by urban07sti

Fair enough, however the STI is not really a rice-burner although most people just think of it as one. It does not sound like a riced out Civic, the flat 4 has a nice rumble to it. I have a yakima rack and can fit everyone's gear. Granted the ride is stiffer than most cars, but it's a really fun car to drive, not to mention safe and I get pretty solid gas mileage it in. To each his own. If they made a STI wagon I would consider one.....nothing better than keeping up with true "sports" car in a wagon haha.

Careful what you wish for....2008 STI only come in a 5 door
http://www.subaru.com/shop/overview....mmand=overview

[urban07sti]

Don't even get me started on that.....completely ruined the look of the STI. When I mentioned wagon before I meant like the WRX wagon but with the STI treatment given to it. A few of the car clubs I'm in have some pretty sweet wagons with funny stickers 'you just got beat by a wagon'. These new 08 hatches are not my cup of tea. I'm happy with my 07.

[campgottagopee]

Originally Posted by urban07sti

Don't even get me started on that.....completely ruined the look of the STI. When I mentioned wagon before I meant like the WRX wagon but with the STI treatment given to it. A few of the car clubs I'm in have some pretty sweet wagons with funny stickers 'you just got beat by a wagon'. These new 08 hatches are not my cup of tea. I'm happy with my 07.

Jury is still out for me until I see the car....Like you, I like the sedan very much. IMO the STI Ltd was the best one!!!

[bvibert]

Originally Posted by urban07sti

You could have a similar setup with the Subaru STI.....flat 4, 6 speed, 300HP, lots more power than that Diesel and incredible AWD with DCCD. There is a toggle switch where the driver can control how the AWD system behaves. Only the STI has this in subaru's. Granted, you would have to put up with the large wing and other items, but for me it's a sweet car. Can be had for low $30K's....last weekend driving up to the 'bush in that storm friday night it was a beast, no problems at all.

Originally Posted by wa-loaf

Meh, I'm not interest in an over turbo'd rice burner. I want a wagon I can load a bunch of stuff in that has reasonable power, is sporty, comfortable, has awd and gets good gas mileage. My Outback is fine for me. The VW would be nice, but it's not gonna happen unless I move to Germany.

Originally Posted by urban07sti

Fair enough, however the STI is not really a rice-burner although most people just think of it as one. It does not sound like a riced out Civic, the flat 4 has a nice rumble to it. I have a yakima rack and can fit everyone's gear. Granted the ride is stiffer than most cars, but it's a really fun car to drive, not to mention safe and I get pretty solid gas mileage it in. To each his own. If they made a STI wagon I would consider one.....nothing better than keeping up with true "sports" car in a wagon haha.

Originally Posted by wa-loaf

You probably don't have two kids and a dog.

Ditto on what wa-loaf said, exactly. I have nothing against Subbies, but a STI is NOT the car I'm looking for at this stage in my life. The whole point of having the TDI isn't to get "lots more power", it's to get lots more MPG...