Sugarloaf to close on May 5th

[Geoff]

Originally Posted by AdironRider

Which brings up another point, season pass holders, in my experience at least, often can be the biggest pain in the ass, thinking they deserve the world just because they dedicated themselves to one mtn for a season. I couldnt tell you how many times I wanted to punch a season pass holder in the face when they asked for a special deal on service at my on mtn restaurant as if they deserved it. They also tended to be the worst tippers, and of the three people who got kicked out of the bar this season, all of them had a season pass. Just sayin....

Season pass holders are the people who show up at a Mountain Restaurant when it's death cookies, -20F, or pouring rain. It's wise to do whatever you can to attract them. I suppose if the season pass holders are low income ski bums and retirees, you have a beef.

[SIKSKIER]

Originally Posted by AdironRider

Would your boss like it if you kept pushing back your start date more and more, sometimes at a moments notice? ....

Huh?What are you talking about?Sugarloaf pushed it back ONE day.They had announced the first weekend in May as a closing date goal more than a month ago.

[BLESS]

simple solution to an employee who wants to complain. If you don't like it, move on with your life and f*@king quit.

[AdironRider]

Originally Posted by SIKSKIER

Huh?What are you talking about?Sugarloaf pushed it back ONE day.They had announced the first weekend in May as a closing date goal more than a month ago.

Its comments like these that illustrate the point Im trying to make. Season pass holders not thinking its that big a deal, or what the ramifications of being open an extra day can do to the employees that are there, making peanuts, just for you to ski an extra day.

So next time your going to start a job, try pushing back the start date a couple weeks a month in advance, then when the time comes push it back another day at a moments notice and see how it goes over. No employer is going to be stoked tabout the situation, not one. This thread is filled with a bunch of people who've never worked at a resort and are season pass holders. Notice how they all dont see the problem.

Ill conceed that season pass holders are going to be the ones there when the weather isnt all that great, but I stand by my statements that they tend to think theyre owed something more just for being a season pass holder. None of this stuff mentioned is a big deal, but added up over a 6 month season, just to find out you need to stay open another day at a moments notice, and you wonder why they werent celebrating in the streets? Come on now man. Most ski resort jobs suck,.but you get a free pass. Its a tradeoff. They make nothing over the course of a ski season (with no benefits, etc) so you can ski. Cut em a break. Sure its there decision, but noone likes to be jerked around, especially at the end of the season, when it can cost you a job for the summer.

Most season pass holders are ski bums or retirees, at least that I saw at Jackson and in my years as a Whiteface season pass holder. Thats just my observation, not based on stats (Id love to see some real data). As such, they might frequent the restaurant more often, but often order cheap stuff or just drinks, then expect a deal because they are "pass holders", and tend to not tip as well. I dealt with it everyday in Jackson. So unless you've been in my position and experienced something different, trying to argue otherwise is pretty dumb if you ask me.

Not trying to bash Sugarloaf here for staying open, thats never a bad thing. But just trying to be a voice of reason for why they arent as psyched as the people skiing to be at work.

[AdironRider]

Originally Posted by BLESS

simple solution to an employee who wants to complain. If you don't like it, move on with your life and f*@king quit.

Id love to see what your employees would think of you in a managerial position. Keeping happy employees means keeping happy customers. This is critical in the ski industry. You want a pissed off lifty not giving the extra effort bumping chairs, or a nice one giving that little extra effort?

[BLESS]

i dont manage employees. I'm speakong from experience. Why would you want job that all you did was complain about?

[ski_resort_observer]

Originally Posted by AdironRider

Id love to see what your employees would think of you in a managerial position. Keeping happy employees means keeping happy customers. This is critical in the ski industry. You want a pissed off lifty not giving the extra effort bumping chairs, or a nice one giving that little extra effort?

Amen to that....it's a key managerial skill now more than ever in every industry/business. The "my way or the highyway" attitude is still out there but your philosophy is much better IMHO.

[abc]

Originally Posted by BLESS

Why would you want job that all you did was complain about?

because you aren't good for anything else?

You treat employees like trash, you'll get nothing but trash as employees. Simple as that.

[bobbutts]

I watched the quad cam for a few minutes today and the lift was EMPTY

[klrskiah]

I didn't hear any employees complaining... most of the employees i know were laid off back in early april, and lifties were notified a couple months ago that they were shooting for mid-may and they could stay on if they wanted to, so i don't think anyone was surprised.