Cannon Tramline Trail- 3/15/2004

[riverc0il]

goldsbar nails a lot of it on the head, in bounds eastern skiing really doesn't have anything too extreme. what really makes tramline a run to approach with caution are the rocks and boulders that never get covered up by the snow pack. if you loose control and fall, especially around the tower 1 section where it's tight, you could really hurt yourself on the boulders and rocks.

[awf170]

Originally Posted by riverc0il

that was me and i stand by my statement. tramline is a lot easier than most people would think it is. it's by no means the hardest trail i've been on, it would make my top ten though but not near the top. part of my reasoning for people not side slipping is they close this glorious trail because too many people side slip all the snow off. on a groomed steep run this is no problem, a groomer goes down the run at night and repairs the damage. but with tramline, it only takes a few people scraping all the snow off to ruin it for everyone. that said, if you're side sliping and can not make hop turns, you are definitely in way over your head and have no business on tramline. period. tramline is not about guts, it's about control. if you are side sliping tramline, you don't have the control to make a precision turn and stop that may be required to save your neck if you get in trouble. that's my two sense and we can just agree to disagree.

regarding tram conversation, it's usually people that talk the least that know the most. don't be "that guy" on the tram. i just nod and smile when other people make comments.

i wouldnt care about side steppiing and skidding if it was a big bowl out west or a wide trail, but a trail like tramline one person does that and the trail is pretty much ruined. I dont have a problem with people doing things like that, but i do when they ruin the trail

[goldsbar]

I don't think side-stepping really ruins snow cover that much. Side-slipping is another matter. Reminds me of my trip to Whistler this year. I was at the top of some double diamond called the Cirque. Think steep narrow gulley that gets very narrow (i.e. need to straight line it) for a short distance that leads into a bowl at a right angle. There were rocks in the narrow section so I was going to bag it until my next trip (however many years that may be!) until a few boarders came along and told me it was doable. Apparently, doable means you sideslip down the whole thing - on your butt for the narrow part - dispite the fact that 90% of the gulley was very skiable! I skied down to the narrow part. Stopped. Went for it. Tumbled for about 100 feet.

[awf170]

Originally Posted by goldsbar

I don't think side-stepping really ruins snow cover that much. Side-slipping is another matter.

ya thats what i kinda ment side slipping, no one really seems to side steep down runs , unless for a ver short section. 9 out 10 times if people cant ski it they seem to side skid not side step.