Red Sox 2012

[2knees]

what a mess. $67 million on the dl, no closer, starters are horrendous. 14 games is hardly a season but it's hard to imagine this thing turning around anytime soon. Looks like Valentine lost the clubhouse already. Fans booing him like he is the reincarnation of Don Zimmer as the globe pointed out.

too bad my second team is the Pirates......

[Nick]

Yeah, we had a couple awesome seasons there, it's on to another couple decades of pain and aggravation .

[ctenidae]

Yeah, we had a couple awesome seasons there, it's on to another couple decades of pain and aggravation .

Right back in good old Sox form...

[Warp Daddy]

couldn't believe the Fold up against the Yankees Saturday -- how do u blow a 9 run lead in the very late innings ??????????

[deadheadskier]

couldn't believe the Fold up against the Yankees Saturday -- how do u blow a 9 run lead in the very late innings ??????????

by having the worst bullpen in baseball.....

Red Sox went into this off season having three major issues.

1. Cancerous Clubhouse
2. Terrible Bullpen
3. Lack of depth at Starting Pitching

What did ownership do? Made Francona the scapegoat and did nothing to address the other 3 issues. They thought, well if we bring in a new manager, maybe he'll fix the cancer problem and it's inconceivable that the team will pitch that bad two years in a row. They were wrong on Bobby fixing the clubhouse, they were right that they couldn't pitch that bad two years in a row; they're pitching even worse.

Henry is going to pay dearly for taking a penny wise, pound foolish approach. At the very least they should have traded Becket for a can of beans to make a statement. The team would still suck (and they're going to suck for at least 3-4 more years with their current contract obligations), but I think even the pink hats in Boston would support a losing team that cares over a losing team of overpaid, under-performing, entitled prima donnas.

At least Henry can sleep somewhat easy knowing he got rid of the most overrated baseball GM in history with Theo.

[Warp Daddy]

by having the worst bullpen in baseball.....

Red Sox went into this off season having three major issues.

1. Cancerous Clubhouse
2. Terrible Bullpen
3. Lack of depth at Starting Pitching

What did ownership do? Made Francona the scapegoat and did nothing to address the other 3 issues. They thought, well if we bring in a new manager, maybe he'll fix the cancer problem and it's inconceivable that the team will pitch that bad two years in a row. They were wrong on Bobby fixing the clubhouse, they were right that they couldn't pitch that bad two years in a row; they're pitching even worse.

Henry is going to pay dearly for taking a penny wise, pound foolish approach. At the very least they should have traded Becket for a can of beans to make a statement. The team would still suck (and they're going to suck for at least 3-4 more years with their current contract obligations), but I think even the pink hats in Boston would support a losing team that cares over a losing team of overpaid, under-performing, entitled prima donnas.

At least Henry can sleep somewhat easy knowing he got rid of the most overrated baseball GM in history with Theo.

Interesting analysis D! You've obviously invested some time in thinking about it .
My question simply was more of a statement .I LIVE with a Yankees fan ( Me i hate the friggin game ) and i've got grandkiddos in BOTH Boston region and in Manhattan so i'mm schitzoid on THIS whole Red Sox /Yankees thang > but your research will help me to deal with the Red Sox nation part of my family -- thanx

W

[JimG.]

by having the worst bullpen in baseball.....

Red Sox went into this off season having three major issues.

1. Cancerous Clubhouse
2. Terrible Bullpen
3. Lack of depth at Starting Pitching

What did ownership do? Made Francona the scapegoat and did nothing to address the other 3 issues. They thought, well if we bring in a new manager, maybe he'll fix the cancer problem and it's inconceivable that the team will pitch that bad two years in a row. They were wrong on Bobby fixing the clubhouse, they were right that they couldn't pitch that bad two years in a row; they're pitching even worse.

Henry is going to pay dearly for taking a penny wise, pound foolish approach. At the very least they should have traded Becket for a can of beans to make a statement. The team would still suck (and they're going to suck for at least 3-4 more years with their current contract obligations), but I think even the pink hats in Boston would support a losing team that cares over a losing team of overpaid, under-performing, entitled prima donnas.

At least Henry can sleep somewhat easy knowing he got rid of the most overrated baseball GM in history with Theo.

What amazes me about baseball is how a sport that is so slow moving can have fans that jump to the worst possible conclusions after what, 20 games of a 162 game schedule?

The Sox are not as bad as they look right now. Valentine takes alot of getting used to.

[deadheadskier]

What amazes me about baseball is how a sport that is so slow moving can have fans that jump to the worst possible conclusions after what, 20 games of a 162 game schedule?

The Sox are not as bad as they look right now. Valentine takes alot of getting used to.

It's not just a 20 game sample size. It's essentially the same exact team (minus Papplebon) that went 7-20 last September. Granted they do have injury problems right now, but this is a .500 team at best with a $170M payroll. They're a mess. Very reminiscent of the Mets teams of the last decade. High payroll and lousy results.

[2knees]

It's not just a 20 game sample size. It's essentially the same exact team (minus Papplebon) that went 7-20 last September. Granted they do have injury problems right now, but this is a .500 team at best with a $170M payroll. They're a mess. Very reminiscent of the Mets teams of the last decade. High payroll and lousy results.

exactly. same team as september, same problems. this is a continuation of last years debacle. so far at least.

[Riverskier]

What amazes me about baseball is how a sport that is so slow moving can have fans that jump to the worst possible conclusions after what, 20 games of a 162 game schedule?

The Sox are not as bad as they look right now. Valentine takes alot of getting used to.

Only 15 games, and good point. The Sox are a good enough team that they should at least be in contention for a playoff spot come September.

The biggest mistake they have made this season, in my opinion, is not putting Bard back in the bullpen. I wasn't a huge fan of making him a starter to begin with, but I understood it with the signing of a decent closer, and Melanson as a set up guy. With the injury to the closer, and Melanson being a flop, I think they needed/need to adjust. I would much rather have Aceves in the rotation and Bard as the closer or set up guy. Yeah, it is only one game, but look what Bard brought to the table in the 8th inning last night. That is the biggest piece the Sox have been missing this year. Obviously I don't know what their actual rationale is, but it almost seems like they are doing this to make Bard happy, which is ridiculous from a business perspective.