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    i saw this and as hot as it looks my first thought "ground clearance sucks for a ski car"
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    You can have your Cross-Trek. I'll take one of these please:

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmcunni View Post
    what's the short version - love it, like it or hate it?
    Love it.
    Have noticed all of the upsides listed in the reviews. Haven't noticed any of the downsides reported.

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    28/34/31 city/highway/combined XV Hybrid
    25/33/?? city/highway/combined XV

    Couldn't find a combined number for the regular XV on Sub's web site. But considering city only increases 3MPG and highway only 1MPG, it is safe to assume the combined must be less than 3MPG improvement.

    How much more are they going to charge for the Hybrid? Are they setting themselves up for failure with extremely minimal differences in MPG? That just doesn't seem worth it. The price difference would have to be less than a grand to make the hybrid worth it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by riverc0il View Post
    28/34/31 city/highway/combined XV Hybrid
    25/33/?? city/highway/combined XV

    Couldn't find a combined number for the regular XV on Sub's web site. But considering city only increases 3MPG and highway only 1MPG, it is safe to assume the combined must be less than 3MPG improvement.

    How much more are they going to charge for the Hybrid? Are they setting themselves up for failure with extremely minimal differences in MPG? That just doesn't seem worth it. The price difference would have to be less than a grand to make the hybrid worth it.
    Why so little savings on gas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by riverc0il View Post
    28/34/31 city/highway/combined XV Hybrid
    25/33/?? city/highway/combined XV

    Couldn't find a combined number for the regular XV on Sub's web site. But considering city only increases 3MPG and highway only 1MPG, it is safe to assume the combined must be less than 3MPG improvement.
    FYI: 28 combined for the reg. Which is about what I'm averaging, although that's climbing quite a bit as I break it in.

    Quote Originally Posted by riverc0il View Post
    How much more are they going to charge for the Hybrid? Are they setting themselves up for failure with extremely minimal differences in MPG? That just doesn't seem worth it. The price difference would have to be less than a grand to make the hybrid worth it.
    Yeah, I don't really get why the improvement is so minimal. And really wonder if it would be worth it. I'll admit that I haven't researched the hybrid much since it was announced since I didn't want to kick myself for jumping the gun. But this makes me feel better. Probably wouldn't have gone with a first gen hybrid anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmcunni View Post
    we'll need gas receipts and certified odometer readings otherwise you will be labeled a fraud and your statements of "fact" will be dismissed as conjecture and attempts to promote Subaru, for whom you are obviously a mole sent to circumvent the truth.
    Nice lines on that Crosstrek Cannonball......

    ...If they could somehow squeeze 40-50mpg with that WRX...and 40-50mpg for the weekend/off-road crowd (too much blast-off drink today..
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkiDork View Post
    New question: Looking at the Outback and Crosstrek. AFA the outback, I would tend toward the 4 cylinder. Not doing any towing or racing. Any reason why I would want to consider the bigger 6 cylinder for a ski car?
    Bumping this thread, I haven't seen SkiDork's Subaru but I know he bought one. I presume it's an Outback with the 4 cylinder engine and CVT? I'm curious how it performs driving up the pass. If you're going 50 mph at Goodrow Lumber, can you hold 50 going up the hill with the family in the car?

    I used to drive a 1986 S-10 Blazer with 115 hp. That really struggled going up the Sherburne pass. My 2002 Mazda Navajo (Ford Exploder) with 160 hp / 225 ft-lbs was better. Every car I've owned since had way more horsepower & torque and I stopped noticing that I was climbing the pass. With only 170-ish foot-lbs of torque, I'm wondering what an Outback does on that hill.

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    Been meaning to post a follow up about the Crosstrek for a while, but wanted a few months and a few thousand miles of use first. I'm there now. Bought it in Feb so I've had it for 5 months including winter, spring, and summer conditions. Have put 12K on it including 2 trips from Boston to Philly and many, may trips from MA to NH. So here's a digested psuedo-review from my experience:

    Background/disclaimer: I am NOT a car guy. Other than a '78 LeMans in high school this is the first "car" I've ever owned. I've had mostly pickup trucks, but also a few Broncos. From reading other car threads on here I know a lot of you are into cars. You know and care about subtle handling differences, 0-60, etc. That's cool. I'm sure it matters. I just don't have enough experience with those subtleties to really make fine-scale comparisons. As a "truck guy" who didn't need a truck anymore I was looking for a) MPG, B) affordability, C) AWD, D) enough space for wife+dog+gear. Most other considerations didn't carry much weight.

    Thought it would make sense to address some of the concerns/knocks mentioned earlier in this thread:
    "The crosstrek is a waste of money IMO. 4-5K more for a lifted Impreza? Sorry Ill take the Impreza with coilovers and save 3k."
    I sort of addressed this before. That's an apples-oranges cost comparison. The crosstrek doesn't really have a base-model option so a comparably equipped imprezza is only about $1,200 less than a Crosstrek. But still, there is some truth to the point. $1,200 for the ground clearance beefed up suspension and a couple other things might not be worth it to everyone. It was worth it to me.

    "Heard they are severely underpowered."
    Yeah, I've heard that a lot too. But I haven't noticed it. As stated I'm not a car guy so maybe the Crosstrek is weak compared to some cars people are used to. I'm used to 8cyl pickup trucks. I'd say the Crosstrek merges and passes about the same...as in without any trouble.

    "XV doesn't get that great of gas mileage, does it? On par with the larger Outback if I am not mistaken? Certainly much less than the Impreza hatch which is the only really good AWD vehicle for gas mileage out there."
    It seems pretty good to me. I've averaged 30MPG over the 12K miles. But actually it's a little better than than since it crept up quite a bit after break in. In the past 3 months I've been averaging 31MPG. From what I've followed 2013 Outbacks average around 25MPG and Imprezas are about the same as the Crosstrek.

    "I think you are going to be dissapointed with the XV. My wifes best friend got one and its so underpowered you end up getting much worse gas milage than advertised as your goosing it everywhere to keep up with traffic."
    Kind of a combo of the above 2 comments. So I'll just say that I haven't noticed a lack of power and I'm getting better mileage than expected. = Not disappointed.

    That was about it for other peoples concerns. Now my concerns:
    Will I be able to carry everything without a truck? Hmmmm, not always. So far I've been OK with it 90% of the time. It kind of sucks to be limited in what I can pick up at Home Depot and hauling yard brush is not so great. I've borrowed trailers and that worked out pretty well. I'm considering buying a trailer now. It's definitely more challenging and time consuming to think about carrying stuff. Can just trow my bike, kayak, etc in the back. But with roof racks and tow hitch it's been pretty manageable.

    I do a lot of work down muddy, dirt roads. Will I get down there?
    So far the thing has been a champ on fire roads, cranberry bog connectors, etc. One I stop worrying about paint scratches it will probably be even better.

    How will I like driving it? I've always preferred the upright posture of a truck seat.
    I'm actually really digging driving it! Multiple times I've driven through a full tank (>400miles) without a rest and felt fine. It's comfortable, moderately quiet, and well laid out.

    So anyway, not much a real car review by car guy standards. But bottom line is that I'm really liking it and would easily recommend it.

    And I like the look......
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  9. #99
    except for the god awful rims, it is indeed a sharp looking small cross over.

  10. #100
    my 2009 outback's transmission completely shit the bed at 100K...according to the mechanic it's a common problem for this year/model...called subaru and they basically said 'we consider that a wear and tear part, you're out of warranty, too bad for you, go pound sand'

    maybe i'm wrong, but 100K seems a little early to me for a trans to die...very disappointing, especially for a make that touts reliability

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