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    Weíre at a strange decision point choosing between the Crosstrek and Outback. My wife doesnít care for the styling of the 2018 Forester, although the 2019 looks to be interesting.



    The Outbacks are going for 0% financing, to get rid of the 2018s. The Crosstreks donít have that deal. Itís amazing how the various sized SUVs cross over in terms of prices; with the trim level being a major factor.

    I test drive a Honda CRV and Nissan Rogue this week. The CRV is truly impressive, with more cargo space than the Outback, which blurs the lines since the Outback is on a more substantial platform and feels more high end. The Rogue has all of the toys, it just feels lethargic and body-rolly, which is not something Iím picky about these days. I love the many included options on the Rogue, it is just so goddamn boring to drive.


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    Go Outback over Crosstrek if the financing is that good and the final deal is right. The Crosstrek is just an Impreza hatchback with plastic cladding and a 1.5inch lift kit, while the Outback is the top model for the brand until the 2019 model year.

    The poor Nissan guys seem to really struggle to get any power out of that motor in the Rogue. A coworker just bought his second one and went in saying the one thing he hated about the first was no power, but now he's getting up there in age and the lack of any zoom zoom isn't an issue for him. He did say they made almost no improvement in that power dept in the three year jump.

    One car I might strongly recommend you just go take a quick look and test drive, the Mazda CX-5/7(orginally wrote 3 which is probably too small). Those are some really fun to drive crossovers and pricing should be competitive to Subie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edd View Post
    We’re at a strange decision point choosing between the Crosstrek and Outback. My wife doesn’t care for the styling of the 2018 Forester, although the 2019 looks to be interesting.

    The Outbacks are going for 0% financing, to get rid of the 2018s. The Crosstreks don’t have that deal. It’s amazing how the various sized SUVs cross over in terms of prices; with the trim level being a major factor.

    I test drive a Honda CRV and Nissan Rogue this week. The CRV is truly impressive, with more cargo space than the Outback, which blurs the lines since the Outback is on a more substantial platform and feels more high end. The Rogue has all of the toys, it just feels lethargic and body-rolly, which is not something I’m picky about these days. I love the many included options on the Rogue, it is just so goddamn boring to drive.


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    The 0% was too good to turn down for us as well. We also considered the CRV but the dealer turned us off.
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    I have my first Subaru, an Impreza and I am on my 4th Rogue. They both are good cars you really need to drive them and see which one feels the best both in handling and how the driver seat feels. I feel like the driver seat in the Impreza doesn’t give me enough support on a long drive where I feel that the rogue is more comfortable on a long drive. They both are quality vehicles and you can’t go wrong with either one. I would definitely factor in things like the convenience of the location for service and which one feels more comfortable in the driving position and with the controls and even things like Bluetooth connection to your phone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edd View Post
    We’re at a strange decision point choosing between the Crosstrek and Outback. My wife doesn’t care for the styling of the 2018 Forester, although the 2019 looks to be interesting.

    The Outbacks are going for 0% financing, to get rid of the 2018s. The Crosstreks don’t have that deal. It’s amazing how the various sized SUVs cross over in terms of prices; with the trim level being a major factor.

    I test drive a Honda CRV and Nissan Rogue this week. The CRV is truly impressive, with more cargo space than the Outback, which blurs the lines since the Outback is on a more substantial platform and feels more high end. The Rogue has all of the toys, it just feels lethargic and body-rolly, which is not something I’m picky about these days. I love the many included options on the Rogue, it is just so goddamn boring to drive.


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    What trim Outback are you looking at? That makes a big difference. I have the 2.5 Premium and it is perfect for me. The EyeSight, Lane Assist, Blind Spot Monitors, and other safety features work great and were big selling points. As one persons said it is about fit and style. I liked the controls, phone connection, audio system, and other bells and whistles. I did have a hard time not looking further at the CRV, but the Outback had everything I wanted and pretty much was almost built for me. And it is still getting over 27 mpg average.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sull1102 View Post
    Go Outback over Crosstrek if the financing is that good and the final deal is right. The Crosstrek is just an Impreza hatchback with plastic cladding and a 1.5inch lift kit, while the Outback is the top model for the brand until the 2019 model year.

    The poor Nissan guys seem to really struggle to get any power out of that motor in the Rogue. A coworker just bought his second one and went in saying the one thing he hated about the first was no power, but now he's getting up there in age and the lack of any zoom zoom isn't an issue for him. He did say they made almost no improvement in that power dept in the three year jump.

    One car I might strongly recommend you just go take a quick look and test drive, the Mazda CX-5/7(orginally wrote 3 which is probably too small). Those are some really fun to drive crossovers and pricing should be competitive to Subie.

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    Yeah, I think Mazda makes more compelling cars than Subaru, Honda or Nissan. Our last three purchases were Mazdas. Only made the switch to the VW Alltrack for the most recent purchase because you can get it with MT. Unfortunately, Mazda never released the CX5 with MT in the states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sull1102 View Post
    Go Outback over Crosstrek if the financing is that good and the final deal is right. The Crosstrek is just an Impreza hatchback with plastic cladding and a 1.5inch lift kit, while the Outback is the top model for the brand until the 2019 model year.

    The poor Nissan guys seem to really struggle to get any power out of that motor in the Rogue. A coworker just bought his second one and went in saying the one thing he hated about the first was no power, but now he's getting up there in age and the lack of any zoom zoom isn't an issue for him. He did say they made almost no improvement in that power dept in the three year jump.

    One car I might strongly recommend you just go take a quick look and test drive, the Mazda CX-5/7(orginally wrote 3 which is probably too small). Those are some really fun to drive crossovers and pricing should be competitive to Subie.

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    Just be aware Mazda is still holding out from Andriod auto and Apple Carplay. There is a big diffrence in the usability of Carplay and Andriod Auto and whatever any car manufacture or Blackberry puts out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thetrailboss View Post
    What trim Outback are you looking at? That makes a big difference. I have the 2.5 Premium and it is perfect for me. The EyeSight, Lane Assist, Blind Spot Monitors, and other safety features work great and were big selling points. As one persons said it is about fit and style. I liked the controls, phone connection, audio system, and other bells and whistles. I did have a hard time not looking further at the CRV, but the Outback had everything I wanted and pretty much was almost built for me. And it is still getting over 27 mpg average.
    We were checking out a premium with a moonroof. No eyesight was on it but I do want that. Iím hoping to identify a car on Friday and make an offer. One tiny bummer is that you have to move up to limited trim to get push button start. I had a loaner Honda HRV last week and enjoyed that feature. Itís standard in the Honda and Nissan cars.

    I could live with the Crosstrek since weíll still have a Forester kicking around to haul a bunch of stuff/people if needed. The Outback was very nice to drive, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thetrailboss View Post
    The 0% was too good to turn down for us as well. We also considered the CRV but the dealer turned us off.
    Years ago when I was car shopping I got a donít-give-a-shit vibe from the Honda dealer so I didnít even test drive. This time I did and I liked the salesman fine. He told me thereís no incentives offered because ďHonda doesnít have to offer themĒ. I suspect thatís true but it dampens my enthusiasm somewhat.

    Iíve never owned a Honda but they really have a distinct feel/design that I respect. I feel similar about Subaru. Nissan is a bit harder to pin down. The Rogue I checked out had a hell of a panoramic sunroof though. Itís part of a ďsun and soundĒ package, which includes a 9 speaker Bose stereo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deadheadskier View Post
    Yeah, I think Mazda makes more compelling cars than Subaru, Honda or Nissan. Our last three purchases were Mazdas. Only made the switch to the VW Alltrack for the most recent purchase because you can get it with MT. Unfortunately, Mazda never released the CX5 with MT in the states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benski View Post
    Just be aware Mazda is still holding out from Andriod auto and Apple Carplay. There is a big diffrence in the usability of Carplay and Andriod Auto and whatever any car manufacture or Blackberry puts out.
    The Mazda CX-5 is hands down the best looking option in the compact SUV segment IMO. Additionally, along with the Rogue, it has a 40-20-40 rear seat drop down configuration, and that is huge for a ski car carrying 4 people and all of their gear without a rooftop box. Youíd think that would be a no-brainer standard feature on every Subaru.

    Unfortunately, the Mazda also gets the worst MPG, along with lacking CarPlay.


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