Sochi Olympics

bigbog · Aug 24, 2013

deadheadskier said:
.....IOC should pull the plug........Russia doesn't deserve to host the games and the financial reward it may bring. Sucks for the athletes training for the event no doubt, but between all of the BS from Russia and the threats from Chechen rebels, enough is enough.

....Too inteligent an idea coming from the crowd in power...and the money-laden upperclass mgmnt of sports are, most likely, too aware of the legal implications for terminating contracts(construction, planning, security...etc).

dmc · Aug 25, 2013

Putin is a great example of what could happen here if conservatives have a chance to roll over us with their social re-engineering...

This whole Russia thing makes me sick...

drjeff · Aug 25, 2013

dmc said:
Putin is a great example of what could happen here if conservatives have a chance to roll over us with their social re-engineering...

This whole Russia thing makes me sick...

Oh Please! Cut that crap DMC!

The majority of what the actual conservative movement wants (not the hyperbole that the MSM left says the conservative movement wants) is for people in this country to have more overall freedom and less government supervision. Are their some SOCIAL issues where the conservative movement wants to keep things with the current status quo vs. open things up? Sure

Personally things like 3rd trimester abortions, I have absolutely no issue with banning them since at that point with modern medicine, you have a child that has a very good chance of growing up and becoming a productive citizen rather than never having a chance at life.

Immigration, hey, lets actually enforce the laws we have first, rather than open up the "floodgates" and bring in millions and millions of more people to compete for the already anemic job market in many places and also likely further add to the debt load that over social welfare programs are under. Afterall, don't we have the duty to take care of OUR citizens first before the rest of the worlds?

Taxes - It's pretty simple from the conservative side of things. Most people will do better making a decision of how to spend MORE of the money that they earned than have the government take more of it from them and decide how to spend it for them

The NSA - how's that working out for the Left now??

Syria/Egypt/Iraq/Afhganistan - I thought that the left was supposed to be anti-war? Where are all those folks protesting about the wars when Bush was in the Whitehouse? I'd call that hypocritical

The Debt - I though Obama was going to cut it in half, as we pass almost 17 trillion now up from about 9 when Obama took office, and mysteriously since Jack Lew took over at Treasury, the US debt hasn't increased in over 100 days when the monthly debt reports keep showing an increase of 80 to 100 BILLION

As for social re-engineering - are you really trying to make the claim that the current administration isn't trying to do the same thing with its energy policies, its housing policies, it's healthcare policies, etc, etc??

Please try and remove the emotion from the topic and look at the FACTS and only the facts. Since i'm guessing that in your business world, as much as you may hope that a bunch of code will do exactly as you want it to, and have told your boss/client that it will, unless the facts so that the code is correct, you can hope all you want, but it won't work

dmc · Aug 25, 2013

whatever... there's still a ton of "conservatives" pushing social re-engineering..
i can understand all the economic stuff you talk about but this I can't... sorry... I'm not down with the conservative social agenda...

Left unchecked - it could turn out like whats happening in Russia right now..

Nice rant though... Very nice...

not what I usually expect from AZ...

dmc · Aug 25, 2013

drjeff said:
Since i'm guessing that in your business world, as much as you may hope that a bunch of code will do exactly as you want it to, and have told your boss/client that it will, unless the facts so that the code is correct, you can hope all you want, but it won't work

My boss and I both support gay marriage.. Our client's project manager is actually a gay man... I think we got it covered...

JimG. · Aug 25, 2013

We need a good Killington thread.

ScottySkis · Aug 25, 2013

JimG. said:
We need a good Killington thread.

Snowmaking the Beast us Back part #2 :thumbup:

Edd · Aug 25, 2013

drjeff said:
Oh Please! Cut that crap DMC!

The majority of what the actual conservative movement wants (not the hyperbole that the MSM left says the conservative movement wants) is for people in this country to have more overall freedom and less government supervision. Are their some SOCIAL issues where the conservative movement wants to keep things with the current status quo vs. open things up? Sure

Personally things like 3rd trimester abortions, I have absolutely no issue with banning them since at that point with modern medicine, you have a child that has a very good chance of growing up and becoming a productive citizen rather than never having a chance at life.

Immigration, hey, lets actually enforce the laws we have first, rather than open up the "floodgates" and bring in millions and millions of more people to compete for the already anemic job market in many places and also likely further add to the debt load that over social welfare programs are under. Afterall, don't we have the duty to take care of OUR citizens first before the rest of the worlds?

Taxes - It's pretty simple from the conservative side of things. Most people will do better making a decision of how to spend MORE of the money that they earned than have the government take more of it from them and decide how to spend it for them

The NSA - how's that working out for the Left now??

Syria/Egypt/Iraq/Afhganistan - I thought that the left was supposed to be anti-war? Where are all those folks protesting about the wars when Bush was in the Whitehouse? I'd call that hypocritical

The Debt - I though Obama was going to cut it in half, as we pass almost 17 trillion now up from about 9 when Obama took office, and mysteriously since Jack Lew took over at Treasury, the US debt hasn't increased in over 100 days when the monthly debt reports keep showing an increase of 80 to 100 BILLION

As for social re-engineering - are you really trying to make the claim that the current administration isn't trying to do the same thing with its energy policies, its housing policies, it's healthcare policies, etc, etc??

Please try and remove the emotion from the topic and look at the FACTS and only the facts. Since i'm guessing that in your business world, as much as you may hope that a bunch of code will do exactly as you want it to, and have told your boss/client that it will, unless the facts so that the code is correct, you can hope all you want, but it won't work

Happy now Wa-loaf? You broke drjeff with your poisonous thread. Nice.

bobbutts · Aug 25, 2013

In theory the gop is conservative, but that's about it. In practice they're hypocritical cronies for the advancement of regressive and destructive legislation against the majority of the citizens. I get a kick out of people criticizing the election of Obama, when that suggests that Romney was a superior choice. I've become much less interested in the stated goals of a politician since they appear to mean very little in most cases and more interested in how trustworthy they are. Obama has been a major failure in this regard too. It's depressing. Partisan hacks like Dr. Jeff and his leftist equivalents only make it worse. If you want to be a critic, be a critic. If you want to be a blind cheerleader, be that. You can't be both and expect to have any credibility.

BenedictGomez · Aug 25, 2013

deadheadskier said:
IOC should pull the plug........Russia doesn't deserve to host the games and the financial reward it may bring.

Did you say the exact same thing over the very recent China games?

If so --> then at least you're being consistent with your opinion on humanitarian beliefs re: Olympic games.

If not --> then you're exasperation is completely absurd given the substantial humanitarian discrepancy re: China + Russia

BenedictGomez · Aug 25, 2013

drjeff said:
Oh Please! Cut that crap DMC!

The majority of what the actual conservative movement wants (not the hyperbole that the MSM left says the conservative movement wants) is for people in this country to have more overall freedom and less government supervision.

Obviously, but that's not what The Huffington Post says so how would they know that?

drjeff said:
Are their some SOCIAL issues where the conservative movement wants to keep things with the current status quo vs. open things up? Sure

Correct again.

Frankly, how anyone doesn't realize that BOTH liberals and conservatives have aspects that relate to social issues as they each see fit it completely beyond me = total lack of self-awareness on one's part. Furthermore, in terms of the bulk of social issues, it's usually liberals that want change and conservatives that want stasis.

But in terms of "Social engineering" since that is the precise term that was used, to somehow believe conservatives are worse than liberals in that respect is truly beyond me. What does the far-left agenda really have beyond "social engineering" and its' accompanying "Identity Politics" to break people up into neat little buckets? I mean, the entire DNC freaking platform from soup to nuts practically revolves around social engineering, picking winners and losers in society, and using tax policy and increased government control to redistribute wealth to "correct" what it perceives as "inequality" through tax code and regulation (ironically, all in the name of "fairness"). It's all about social change for God's sake!

ScottySkis · Aug 25, 2013

Summer almost over, winter will be here soon.

deadheadskier · Aug 26, 2013

BenedictGomez said:
Did you say the exact same thing over the very recent China games?

If so --> then at least you're being consistent with your opinion on humanitarian beliefs re: Olympic games.

If not --> then you're exasperation is completely absurd given the substantial humanitarian discrepancy re: China + Russia

Yes, I had reservations about China hosting the games with their poor human rights record; especially the situation in Tibet.

I maybe wasn't as vocal about the Beijing Olympics as I am Sochi because Hu Jintao wasn't exactly being a blowhard like Putin politicizing the Games. There wasn't the same international broadcast of, "Play by our rules or else," as Putin is now doing. Throw in Putin's support of the Assad regime still, even after the Syrian government used chemical warfare on it's own children and well, that's where my "completely absurd exasperation" :roll: comes from.

dmc · Aug 26, 2013

Keep the Olympics in Russia... Let's prove to the world we are better than all this anti-gay stuff...
Putin's a jerk... He needs to go away...

wa-loaf · Aug 26, 2013

Edd said:
Happy now Wa-loaf? You broke drjeff with your poisonous thread. Nice.

My work here is complete.

Puck it · Aug 26, 2013

drjeff said:
Oh Please! Cut that crap DMC!

The majority of what the actual conservative movement wants (not the hyperbole that the MSM left says the conservative movement wants) is for people in this country to have more overall freedom and less government supervision. Are their some SOCIAL issues where the conservative movement wants to keep things with the current status quo vs. open things up? Sure

Personally things like 3rd trimester abortions, I have absolutely no issue with banning them since at that point with modern medicine, you have a child that has a very good chance of growing up and becoming a productive citizen rather than never having a chance at life.

Immigration, hey, lets actually enforce the laws we have first, rather than open up the "floodgates" and bring in millions and millions of more people to compete for the already anemic job market in many places and also likely further add to the debt load that over social welfare programs are under. Afterall, don't we have the duty to take care of OUR citizens first before the rest of the worlds?

Taxes - It's pretty simple from the conservative side of things. Most people will do better making a decision of how to spend MORE of the money that they earned than have the government take more of it from them and decide how to spend it for them

The NSA - how's that working out for the Left now??

Syria/Egypt/Iraq/Afhganistan - I thought that the left was supposed to be anti-war? Where are all those folks protesting about the wars when Bush was in the Whitehouse? I'd call that hypocritical

The Debt - I though Obama was going to cut it in half, as we pass almost 17 trillion now up from about 9 when Obama took office, and mysteriously since Jack Lew took over at Treasury, the US debt hasn't increased in over 100 days when the monthly debt reports keep showing an increase of 80 to 100 BILLION

As for social re-engineering - are you really trying to make the claim that the current administration isn't trying to do the same thing with its energy policies, its housing policies, it's healthcare policies, etc, etc??

Please try and remove the emotion from the topic and look at the FACTS and only the facts. Since i'm guessing that in your business world, as much as you may hope that a bunch of code will do exactly as you want it to, and have told your boss/client that it will, unless the facts so that the code is correct, you can hope all you want, but it won't work

Very well said!

dmc · Aug 26, 2013

wa-loaf said:
My work here is complete.

Well played sir... Well played... haha..

dmc · Aug 26, 2013

bobbutts said:
In theory the gop is conservative, but that's about it.

I was careful NOT to say Republican..

I have many many friends that are members and don't subscribe to the social agenda of the far right....

Puck it · Aug 26, 2013

dmc said:
I was careful NOT to say Republican..
I have many many friends that are members and don't subscribe to the social agenda of the far right....

Thank you, FRIEND!!!!!!!!

wa-loaf · Aug 26, 2013

dmc said:
Well played sir... Well played... haha..

Actually I didn't really want to turn this into a right vs left debate. Though people who still hate gays mystify me.

I think this is far from over as momentum seems to be building along with defiant statements from Russia. Though I think everyone has too much invested in the Olympics to cancel or boycott them.

I call BS on the when in Rome folks ... when has the US ever not tried to push other countries around to our desires/beliefs? It's just that Russia is too big a kid for us to twist their arm on this.

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