'06/'07 Rossi Scratch BC review - or, skiing east coast groomers on a 98mm waist ski

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    '06/'07 Rossi Scratch BC review - or, skiing east coast groomers on a 98mm waist ski

    So I have these 185cm Rossi Scratch BC, (128 tip - 98 waist - 121 tail), freshly mounted at the more rearward line with Salomon S912's sitting in my house mocking me as we have one of the worst winters in a long time. I finally get sick of waiting for deeper snow, so I decide to ski them this past weekend at Loon. I also bring with me my 178cm Dynastar Legend 8000 to ski the next day for comparison. About me: 36yrs, 185lbs, former ski instructor, I'm a Taurus, and like long walks on short piers. I can ski bumps, but don't love them. I would much rather be in the trees somewhere. I like short slalom turns as much as long fast GS turns.



    So Saturday at Loon, COLD, windy and fast hardpack conditions. There were no bumps really, no tree skiing, no powder, just fast groomers with some man made stuff around the edges. Not really ideal conditions for this ski. I also felt a little out of place standing in the gondola line with these, and some of the looks I got only confirmed that.

    Right off let me say how surprised I was about how well these ski groomers. I mean I was VERY pleasantly surprised at how well these would lay down a carve. I don't usually ski "carving" skis any more, the Legend 8000 is my normal "everyday" ski (20m turn radius). The Scratch's have a 21,5m radius. They were actually very easy to get from edge to edge quickly. I have the bindings mounted up on a Salomon axe+ plate so that probably helped with that. The only real difference I felt between the Scratch's and the Legends was the width overall. The Legends did feel a little more nimble, probably because they are narrower. I began thinking really early on that I could use the Scratch's as my everyday ski and be very happy with it. It is definately the type of ski that you could take out west and it would work no matter what conditions you ended up with. I plan on skiing these more now, they were REALLY fun. You know what they say, "once you go fat you never go back", or something like that...

    So look for me, I'll be the guy standing in the lift line at Loon wtih the yellow and white Scratch BC's (or orange and white Legends), green Salomon jacket, black/camo dakine back pack.

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    Thanks for the review. I have been saying this for a while now - the so called fat or powder skis have become very versatile. The mountain doesn't have to be covered with a foot of snow to break 100mm under foot skis out anymore. They might give up some quickness and edge hold on hard snow and bumps, but they are still a lot of fun. There are many skiers out west that use skis like Gotamas (105mm) and Made'n AK (108mm) every single day, regardless of conditions.

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    Salomon GUNS.....my every day ski...

    Like you said...once you go fat you never go back.

    M

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    I should ad one con to skiing these on groomers. I noticed when coming in fairly fast to a hard stop on really hard snow/ice, they tended to really chatter or "bounce". One time it actually caused one of my skis to come off. I never notice that with any of my other skis, so I think it has something to do with the width. But like I said above, they weren't really meant for that kind of skiing anyhow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEVO View Post
    I should ad one con to skiing these on groomers. I noticed when coming in fairly fast to a hard stop on really hard snow/ice, they tended to really chatter or "bounce". One time it actually caused one of my skis to come off. I never notice that with any of my other skis, so I think it has something to do with the width. But like I said above, they weren't really meant for that kind of skiing anyhow.
    Devo,

    I am pretty sure that the chatter is not due as much to width as it is to the flex of the ski. Given that Rossi markets the ski as a powder twin tip, it has a pretty soft tip to help the shovel bend up in soft snow and keep you afloat instead of diving and making you go head first into the soft stuff. I noticed the similar floppiness in my super soft Seth Pistols, turning on hard snow resulted in scrazy chatter.

    The float design also applies to camber. Most powder and fat skis have next to no camber, some have zero camber and a couple have reverse camber. Camber makes the tips dive in soft snow, but it is a big help on hard snow as it helps the ski feel lively and quick. Lack of camber is another reason why many fat skis feel "dead" on hard snow.

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    Tthe chatter I was feeling was more along the entire ski while I was sliding sideways to a hard stop. I didn't feel any tip chatter at straight speeds. These also have about the same camber as any of my other skis, probably another reason they were so good on the groomers. I think Rossi reaslly markets these a more of an "all mountain" back country ski more than a pure powder ski.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEVO View Post
    Tthe chatter I was feeling was more along the entire ski while I was sliding sideways to a hard stop. I didn't feel any tip chatter at straight speeds.
    Hmm... maybe that means that they aren't particularly tortionally stiff? I don't know enough about ski tech to say for sure though. I have also noticed some chatter in fat skis during hard snow stops, but never to the point that it caused the binding to release... interesting.

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    Yeah, it only happened that once. I was coming in really fast and trying to stop on very hard snow/ice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEVO View Post
    Yeah, it only happened that once. I was coming in really fast and trying to stop on very hard snow/ice.
    I know the problem!

    Try setting the din to 7 instead of your normal 4, that should really step it up a notch

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay's Dip Powcher View Post
    I know the problem!

    Try setting the din to 7 instead of your normal 4, that should really step it up a notch
    yeah but I only weigh 110lbs...

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