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  1. #1051
    Regardless of why the lifts get shut down, I appreciate not wanting to take the risk since it happens much more frequently at Jay than other resorts that you can choose. That's just the simple reality of the situation up there.

  2. #1052
    VT resorts sure. Sugarloaf waves Hi as the overall champion of wind holds in New England. Jay is a distant second.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deadheadskier View Post
    VT resorts sure. Sugarloaf waves Hi as the overall champion of wind holds in New England. Jay is a distant second.
    Most definitely.

  4. #1054
    Never. I've encountered more than my fair share of them, especially in the last 2 years, but you haven't made any list. All good. I appreciate your perspective as always-just giving you mine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jcb890 View Post
    Hi Steve,

    I really do appreciate your responses and candor, as always. You seem like a stand-up guy and I do not think I have been, but if I have been a dick to you personally at all, I apologize. I really do want Jay to do well and want to go and enjoy it, its just tough sometimes.

  5. #1055
    Quote Originally Posted by cdskier View Post
    I can't speak for Jay, but at SB, I'm not about to question their use of windholds. Anytime I've seen SB have a windhold, it has been legitimate. I've been on a lift at SB right before they closed it for a windhold and trust me, it was one of the scariest lift rides ever. And yet when I got back to the base, there was virtually no wind. That wind can be brutal at times in one spot and nothing in another so people tend to think just because there's no wind where they are standing that it can't possibly be windy enough somewhere else to close a lift. SB does seem to have more windholds than some other mountains at times, but each mountain is unique with the way the wind blows and how the lifts are impacted by wind. It is what it is.
    +1 same thing at sugarloaf. I've been pushed uphill on the summit by wind and its a gorgeous bluebird day at the base lodge with people kicking it on the beach.

  6. #1056
    Here's a handy way to gauge how windy it's going to be. These are aviation winds aloft forecasts. The first two digits are the wind direction (degrees true to nearest 10) The second two digits is the wind speed in knots (15% higher than MPH) The third 2 digits are the forecast temperature (degrees C)

    The nearest station to any northern VT ski area is PLB, or Plattsburg, NY.

    So right now, looking at PLB, about halfway down the page, at 6,000 feet you see the winds are 2825+03
    This means the winds are 280 degrees (almost due west) at 25 knots (29mph) with a temp of 3C (37F)

    You can also look at ALB, which is Albany, NY. More of a factor for Mt Snow and Stratton.


    https://www.aviationweather.gov/windtemp/data?region=bos

    There is a drop down menu at the top for which time period you want to look at. It's in UTC, or Greenwich time, which is indicated by a Z after the time, 24 hour military style. In the winter we are on standard time which is 5 hours earier, so 14Z is 0900 local time.

    Obviously Jay Peak is not at 6,000 feet, so a little interpolation is needed. You can average the winds at 3 and 6. Also, take a look at how steep the gradient is, ie how much faster the winds are at 9 and 12. When winds at higher altitudes are really racing, they generate vertical shear type turbulence, and these produce the gusts we've all felt. Very little gradient = very little gusts.

    Last disclaimer is the muddling the mountains do to the averages. This is a guide, not a guarantee.

    So if the Tram is down for wind holds and the winds aloft are 10kts, give Steve a call. If they're 50 kts, expect the Tram to be dicey.

    Notice the temp at 12,000 feet is -03C, or 26.5F. If we had the elevation of the Rockies we could be making snow right now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mister moose View Post
    Here's a handy way to gauge how windy it's going to be. These are aviation winds aloft forecasts. The first two digits are the wind direction (degrees true to nearest 10) The second two digits is the wind speed in knots (15% higher than MPH) The third 2 digits are the forecast temperature (degrees C)

    The nearest station to any northern VT ski area is PLB, or Plattsburg, NY.

    So right now, looking at PLB, about halfway down the page, at 6,000 feet you see the winds are 2825+03
    This means the winds are 280 degrees (almost due west) at 25 knots (29mph) with a temp of 3C (37F)

    You can also look at ALB, which is Albany, NY. More of a factor for Mt Snow and Stratton.


    https://www.aviationweather.gov/windtemp/data?region=bos

    There is a drop down menu at the top for which time period you want to look at. It's in UTC, or Greenwich time, which is indicated by a Z after the time, 24 hour military style. In the winter we are on standard time which is 5 hours earier, so 14Z is 0900 local time.

    Obviously Jay Peak is not at 6,000 feet, so a little interpolation is needed. You can average the winds at 3 and 6. Also, take a look at how steep the gradient is, ie how much faster the winds are at 9 and 12. When winds at higher altitudes are really racing, they generate vertical shear type turbulence, and these produce the gusts we've all felt. Very little gradient = very little gusts.

    Last disclaimer is the muddling the mountains do to the averages. This is a guide, not a guarantee.

    So if the Tram is down for wind holds and the winds aloft are 10kts, give Steve a call. If they're 50 kts, expect the Tram to be dicey.

    Notice the temp at 12,000 feet is -03C, or 26.5F. If we had the elevation of the Rockies we could be making snow right now!
    For bonus points, decode this one. 7823-06

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  9. #1059
    Quote Originally Posted by machski View Post
    For bonus points, decode this one. 7823-06

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    Park forecast 780 23kts -6

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siliconebobsquarepants View Post
    Park forecast 780 23kts -6
    Nice try, this is how it is coded when wind speeds are 100+ kts. subtract 50 to get the direction (78-50=28(0)) and add 100 for the speed (100+23=123kts).


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