4aprice
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Boy what's up with kids these days? Son tells me a lot of PSU students visit KSC. Thank god he wasn't down there this weekend.
Alex
Lake Hopatcong, NJ
Alex
Lake Hopatcong, NJ
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What happened?
When Pro-legalizers like Scotty and many more are screaming about The stupidity of our laws...booze being legal and weed not, this is specifically a great example of what We're talking about.
It has nothing to do with smoking. .
Some of the kids that were not involved are embarrassed several want to transfer to another school.
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Some of the kids that were not involved are embarrassed several want to transfer to another school.
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Binge drinking is a fact of life among college age cohort , and society often romanticises excessive behavior to the point of " instituionalizing " it . To wit : Spring Break excesses , Frat and sorority keggers, boonies and bacchanals of the past and current age .
I think the binge drinking stems from the raising of the limit to 21. I read an article a few years ago that most college presidents thought that limit should be lowered to 18 to aid in the campus problems. We used have beer blasts and never had these riots. I think the other problem is all of this social media crap.
I think the binge drinking stems from the raising of the limit to 21. I read an article a few years ago that most college presidents thought that limit should be lowered to 18 to aid in the campus problems. We used have beer blasts and never had these riots. I think the other problem is all of this social media crap.[/QUOTE
Puck you are quite right , in 2004 a group of approx 100 college presidents supported that notion, but frankly the data did not support their argument . Their logic was that if one could change the LOCUS of te act it could "possibly " be controlled . That view got limited support from The majority of college leaders . Probable reason : Stupid behavior happens regardless of location or age , always has , always will .
Moreover most judicial systems whether campus or town based justice are reactive not proactive and for decades alcohol ed programs during orientations have addressed and discussed this ad nauseum .. Still the issue persists and in todays gotcha .gonzo journalism where every idiot with an iphone or tablet is a TMZ reporter the situation is even more rediculous ..... .. Society glorifies it
I am of the opinion that neither lowering the age or raising it has any DIRECT influence on behavior ,, Ass hats are going to be Asshats
I think the binge drinking stems from the raising of the limit to 21. I read an article a few years ago that most college presidents thought that limit should be lowered to 18 to aid in the campus problems. We used have beer blasts and never had these riots. I think the other problem is all of this social media crap.[/QUOTE
Puck you are quite right , in 2004 a group of approx 100 college presidents supported that notion, but frankly the data did not support their argument . Their logic was that if one could change the LOCUS of te act it could "possibly " be controlled . That view got limited support from The majority of college leaders . Probable reason : Stupid behavior happens regardless of location or age , always has , always will .
Moreover most judicial systems whether campus or town based justice are reactive not proactive and for decades alcohol ed programs during orientations have addressed and discussed this ad nauseum .. Still the issue persists and in todays gotcha .gonzo journalism where every idiot with an iphone or tablet is a TMZ reporter the situation is even more rediculous ..... .. Society glorifies it
I am of the opinion that neither lowering the age or raising it has any DIRECT influence on behavior ,, Ass hats are going to be Asshats
The thing is - the stats on road deaths and accidents has declined measurably each time the drinking age was lowered. Makes sense...doesn't mean that other incidents changed as a result...but this is pretty powerful to me.
I was the Zoo in the 1980s...there were some similar events (I remember my folks calling to be sure I was OK b/c it made it on the news). Drinking age was 18 in the 70s at the Zoo..and I recall that's when the Zoo got it's nickname lol.
Personally...I think it's crazy to expect a person never to drink until 21yo. And I don't expect my kids to stay clear until then. THAT is just nuts and I'm not naive enough to think they will. So now my 18yo is at the Zoo. So many rules/regs about drinking and alcohol, etc... Well, they are all ignored lol...really not much different then when I was there. The first clue the rules were meant to be broken was when they talked up the "Alcohol Free" dorms...my girl said "why do you need an alcohol free dorm if you can't have alcohol in dorms?". LOL. But she went to HS last two years in a country with 18yo drinking age - for HS grad kids gave each other alcohol gifts. We supplied it for her HS graduation party. Since she looks older than her age, she was able to order beers and things at restuarants much younger. So she had a very good outlook on the entire 'scene'. I think in general her peers there were very mature about alcohol - they would have parties in peoples homes with alcohol and things never got out of control. There were some incidents when kids went overboard when going out at night (ie Cancun trip for Sr. spring break) - but in general it is NOTHING like it is here in the US. Why? I don't know..not sure lowering the drinking age in the US would have the same affect. It's cultural... For example...she noticed that whenever she went to a wedding in the US, some adults would end up hammered. The Uncle, our friends, etc... Nothing like that happens in Colombia. We all say "kids nowadays"...but in reality...how many adults have bad alcohol habits? How can we expect kids to treat alcohol with respect if the adults they look up to don't? Not an easy solution....
And honestly...I could never imagine a roomful of people passing around a bong being motivated to do this type of damage. lol.
My wife and I were at the Pumpkin Festival Saturday. The event itself is really cool....