freeski
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What does that have to do with over 100 people killed and 300 injured in the attack on Paris?
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Paris Attacks
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MadMadWorld
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Let's focus on what's more important:
How did they acquire freaking grenades?
Why are Syrians let alone ones on a terrorist watch list allowed into the country?
How can the French police department learn from an attack like this? There was some serious failure on their part IMO. I thought that the global police community learned from what happened at West Gate in Nairobi. They should have implemented an active shooter rather than a hostage protocol. They may have saved a lot more lives in the concert hall.
I'm not so concerned about retribution. There will be plenty of time for retribution. I also think the coalition against ISIL will be massive and the response will be swift.
How did they acquire freaking grenades?
Why are Syrians let alone ones on a terrorist watch list allowed into the country?
How can the French police department learn from an attack like this? There was some serious failure on their part IMO. I thought that the global police community learned from what happened at West Gate in Nairobi. They should have implemented an active shooter rather than a hostage protocol. They may have saved a lot more lives in the concert hall.
I'm not so concerned about retribution. There will be plenty of time for retribution. I also think the coalition against ISIL will be massive and the response will be swift.
Warp Daddy
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My dealings were with Algerians , Libyans , Syrians and Pakistanis over a 15 yr period at various intervals and Tin i said try negotiation BUT do not let it turn into a downward open ended spiral . sEt specific expectations with time dated elements that have consequences if mnot upheld ....THAT is what works ...not continual weakness and vacuuous , meaningless, never ending talk without consequence . Moreover with todays smart technology genocide can be avoided but leadership and followship targets can be pin pointed
Funky_Catskills
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Agreed... Thanks for the good discussion. Improtant to get insight into why things happen from someone expereinced it for themselves..
The term "Insha'Allah" can be used to put things off..
Falling back on "if god wills it"... Not getting stuff done..
No personal consequences..
ScottySkis
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So sad RIP everyone effected in any way. Unbelievable sad sad sad day again for the world.
Funky_Catskills
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Paris is easy to get in to.. Makes it an easy target.
And has a history of racial unrest...
Hawkshot99
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If these people were members of ISIS like they are reporting, then its not difficult at all. Isis is a fully equipped army wagering a full on war in Syria. All they need to do is ship some equipment were it is needed.
As for how the Syrians got into France? All they had to do was claim to be a refuge. There are hundreda of thousands of refuges flooding into all the western countries of the world. Many of them have no papers on who they are.
MadMadWorld
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Why carry a passport then?
steamboat1
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How would you feel if French people were ridiculing NYC after 9/11?
129 dead and the number is climbing
Show a little respect
Funky_Catskills
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I think we know the answer to that..
Hawkshot99
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These people did not have passports. They claimed to be refuges.
steamboat1
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Why don't you tell everyone again how much the French love the Muslims like you did on another site.
Tin
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Not true. A gunman at the concert hall was French and known to police. Another has been identified as Egyptian. Read something before posting. There could have been/probably are some who claimed to be refuges involved. However, to label this as an attack done by people pretending to be refuges who snuck in does nothing but push the immigration agenda. The same thing that happens after a mass shooting in the U.S. Lives are used to push agendas due to the emotion created.
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freeski
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Tin's right it's not just the refugees.
Hollande has said this was an act of war, so we'll see if SB1 is right or if France fights. France does not have any heavy bombers, but lets give them the benefit of the doubt. Hollande is low energy. I wish them luck.
In a way I am more sympathetic to Paris than, oh say, L.A. France helped us defeat Britain and gave us the Statue of Liberty. I fear the U.S. will not provide the help we should.
Hollande has said this was an act of war, so we'll see if SB1 is right or if France fights. France does not have any heavy bombers, but lets give them the benefit of the doubt. Hollande is low energy. I wish them luck.
In a way I am more sympathetic to Paris than, oh say, L.A. France helped us defeat Britain and gave us the Statue of Liberty. I fear the U.S. will not provide the help we should.
Hawkshot99
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ISIS is not a nationality. It is a group of like minded religious extremists. While many of them are from Iraq, and Syria there fighters come from all over the world(even the USA...) Therefore if they do posses a passport, its not going to list ISIS as its origination so the immigration officer can easily reject them. these people came from all over the world to fight in the middle east. Not very hard to send these people off in the shipments of refuges to destinations in the western world.
I read a passport was found on at least 1 of the attackers. Just because they possessed a passport, does not mean that they used it while transporting with the rest of the refuges. Or they could be a unknown name to authorities(we do not know the name and information on every person fighting for these groups)
drjeff
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Warp, thank you for your professional impression of what basic cultural differences are at play here!
Far better analysis than any pundit talking away on most media outlets today
I imagine we're going to be directly involved in this. All the French need to do is invoke the NATO charter. This is what we did after 9/11.
We've taken the heaviest toll for 15 years now. I'm not saying we shouldn't be involved as the national security risk is very real. What's Paris today could be Louisville tomorrow.
That said, I'd like to see a coalition of 500k EU troops on the ground across Iraq, Syria and beyond. Swift assassination of anyone remotely associated with ISIS. Severe economic sanctions against Saudi Arabia, Yemen, any nation in the area that does not fully focus on eliminating Islamic extremists in their countries.
This crap has got to stop
That said, I'd like to see a coalition of 500k EU troops on the ground across Iraq, Syria and beyond. Swift assassination of anyone remotely associated with ISIS. Severe economic sanctions against Saudi Arabia, Yemen, any nation in the area that does not fully focus on eliminating Islamic extremists in their countries.
This crap has got to stop
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