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  1. #621

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smellytele View Post
    Obviously though a lot don't want to pay the 15k
    I would guess that its wasn't just about the 15K, but also about the plan they were proposing to keep the club viable.

  2. #622
    Quote Originally Posted by Smellytele View Post
    Obviously though a lot don't want to pay the 15k
    Then it is time for them to see themselves out obviously. When push comes to shove and those people on the fence decide not to renew their membership they can come on down to Sneaux. I have a funny feeling anyone that can maybe kinda sorta afford the $15k will very quickly regret leaving the Club when they have to drive down to the lower lots and ride the magic carpet back up then wait in 10-15 minute lift lines all day for runs that they will consider INCREDIBLY crowded. It will come down to how comfortable people have gotten with the ski on ski off heated 6 pack with no one one the slopes, corduroy at 3PM on Saturdays, untracked powder five days after a storm and even longer in the woods.

    If you are a member there now, with a handful of exceptions, then you can swing the $15k if you want to continue there.

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  3. #623
    Quote Originally Posted by sull1102 View Post
    Then it is time for them to see themselves out obviously. When push comes to shove and those people on the fence decide not to renew their membership they can come on down to Sneaux. I have a funny feeling anyone that can maybe kinda sorta afford the $15k will very quickly regret leaving the Club when they have to drive down to the lower lots and ride the magic carpet back up then wait in 10-15 minute lift lines all day for runs that they will consider INCREDIBLY crowded. It will come down to how comfortable people have gotten with the ski on ski off heated 6 pack with no one one the slopes, corduroy at 3PM on Saturdays, untracked powder five days after a storm and even longer in the woods.

    If you are a member there now, with a handful of exceptions, then you can swing the $15k if you want to continue there.
    The other factor too about if members would want to go back to Mount Snow or not, is many of them, before the Hermitage, were members of the Mount Snow Ski Club (it's the building next to where the Moover pick up/drop off area is in the main base area. The ski club, for members, offers a less crowded lodge, with a kitchen and grill that members can use whenever they want, as well as a limited number of lockers. It is a nice alternative over the chaos that the main base lodge, the Sundance Base lodge, and the old Carinthia Lodge was (who knows how the new Carinthia Lodge will actually be chaos wise this season???) The Mount Snow Ski Club is a maximum member capacity, with a sizable waiting list currently, so that wouldn't be an option for Hermitage "refugees" should they choose not to continue their membership....
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  4. #624
    this is chapter 2 of the beginning of the end. Look for an outright foreclosure, or some of the hedge/PE owners to come up with their own plan to buy the place after the banks and anyone with a hand on the assets gets desperate. The smart money wouldn't be there this early and not with Barnes. That said, It's surprising that OzCap would even consider it with Barnes, so he must have something that keeps him an owner regardless.
    The real issue as pointed out isn't for the members, but for those that Ski Mt Snow. How much more crowded will it be with these folks coming back over? Even if they had a plan and approval today. Opening up in 90 days is unlikely. A proper shut down and clean up of the facilities didn't happen in the spring. No summer cleanup/ maintenance was done. It's a lot more than what normally goes into opening a place, particularly to the standards these members demand.

  5. #625
    Quote Originally Posted by triguy914 View Post
    this is chapter 2 of the beginning of the end. Look for an outright foreclosure, or some of the hedge/PE owners to come up with their own plan to buy the place after the banks and anyone with a hand on the assets gets desperate. The smart money wouldn't be there this early and not with Barnes. That said, It's surprising that OzCap would even consider it with Barnes, so he must have something that keeps him an owner regardless.
    The real issue as pointed out isn't for the members, but for those that Ski Mt Snow. How much more crowded will it be with these folks coming back over? Even if they had a plan and approval today. Opening up in 90 days is unlikely. A proper shut down and clean up of the facilities didn't happen in the spring. No summer cleanup/ maintenance was done. It's a lot more than what normally goes into opening a place, particularly to the standards these members demand.
    Not totally true about off-season work, but yes they need to get going pretty soon here if they plan to open. Don't forget they were not an early player and usually got going after Thanksgiving and into December. If work began tomorrow you could safely say they could open in 9-10 weeks. There has been maintenance and security on the grounds this summer. They were mostly over at the golf course keeping it mowed and just general upkeep. They did pull down the Hermitage Club Golf Club signs, they now read Haystack!

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  6. #626
    Quote Originally Posted by sull1102 View Post
    Not totally true about off-season work, but yes they need to get going pretty soon here if they plan to open. Don't forget they were not an early player and usually got going after Thanksgiving and into December. If work began tomorrow you could safely say they could open in 9-10 weeks. There has been maintenance and security on the grounds this summer. They were mostly over at the golf course keeping it mowed and just general upkeep. They did pull down the Hermitage Club Golf Club signs, they now read Haystack!

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    They haven't done any maintenance on the chairlifts which as they continue to sit require more and more work and also requires certified lift mechanics which they currently dont have. The reciever has been keeping the place ok to sell but has not been getting it ready to operate this winter. Getting the place ready isnt quite as easy as you're making it out to be. They also missed a deadline for getting h2b workers for the winter which takes me back to a question earlier in this thread, who do they expect to work at this place even if they pull off this miracle? Places that dont have the track record Hermitage does have enough problems finding help

  7. #627
    Quote Originally Posted by icecoast1 View Post
    They haven't done any maintenance on the chairlifts which as they continue to sit require more and more work and also requires certified lift mechanics which they currently dont have. The reciever has been keeping the place ok to sell but has not been getting it ready to operate this winter. Getting the place ready isnt quite as easy as you're making it out to be. They also missed a deadline for getting h2b workers for the winter which takes me back to a question earlier in this thread, who do they expect to work at this place even if they pull off this miracle? Places that dont have the track record Hermitage does have enough problems finding help
    Hermitage Club working on $30 million loan for reopening this season
    https://vtdigger.org/2018/09/20/herm...pening-season/

    Well then... Interesting seeing as the place minus the stunning Clubhouse is not worth $30 million and will take years, likely decades, to make a $30 million profit.

    The lifts have sat since April, not exactly the worst thing in the world. And lest we forget the 6 pack carriers are sitting protected in a barn at the base. They need 1 lift spinning, which has all of 3 seasons, to operate at 70% capacity. Otherwise, plop a guy in a mower give him 40 hours a week for two weeks and the mountain will look like a regular preseason.

    As for employees, pay people a liveable wage and you'll get employees. Other mountains, even my favorite in the Deerfield Valley, LOVE to cry and whine about how tough it is to find good employees. I'm so sick of hearing that crap. Ask them how much they wanna pay these employees and you'll see why. They want to pay these people maybe a buck above minimum wage at a whopping $11.00 an hour half the time. It's laughable. Oh and they sure as hell don't want to give you 40 hours a week in the winter with vacation weeks being the exception, year round employment, a summer job to pair with the winter work, or any benefits at all beyond a season pass. If they tried paying people oh idk $15 an hour and be competitive with the local Walmarts they'd be shocked at the line forming to get a job.

    If the Hermitage keeps the staff very small, but pays the adequately, they will have a very good team working for them. The locals around here need the work.

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    Last edited by sull1102; Sep 23, 2018 at 9:45 PM.
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  8. #628
    "I like homemade food. I just do."

  9. #629
    Judge to make call on lift maintenance at Hermitage Club

    https://www.reformer.com/stories/jud...ge-club,554339
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  10. #630
    The lack of professionalism in the part of pretty much everyone involved really comes across in that article. Sounds like the bank was beyond ambitions thinking they could wrap this up before winter and is now a little prickly about everything, rightfully so. Even if the lifts are running, what about snowmaking?

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