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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by sull1102 View Post
    Have to disagree with Magic being cheaper than the big boys, at least last year. If you know what you're doing you can ski Mt. Snow, K-ton, or even Stratton for cheaper than Magic with Liftopia and other deals. I hope the team coming in looks at the competition and realizes there needs to be a good hard look at ticket pricing.
    Last years management charged full holiday rates for one top to bottom WROD. Full price. It was insane, and no indication of the new management.

    Last edited by slatham; Aug 24, 2016 at 5:08 PM.
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  2. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by steamboat1 View Post
    $1 to maybe $2 million investment over 5 years isn't going to cut it.
    Completely agree. Even if every hour of labor was free from volunteers I have trouble seeing how $1 million could fix Black and get snowmaking up to the 70% threshold. And is this same $ figure also covering basic year-to-year maintenance? Stretching $200,000-$400,000 a year to do maintenance and get (essentially) an entire snowmaking system rebuilt and rebuilding a lift that has not ran for 2 seasons sounds like a hefty task.
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    I got stuck with a few groupons that I couldn't use (never wanted to ski the WROD) also Mountain sports clubnever sent me the 2 I was supposed to get from them because Magic never sent them the tickets. Also I asked MSC to refund me they kept saying they were going to but never received that either. Glad there are new owners and won't join MSC again. Once bitten twice shy.
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  4. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Smellytele View Post
    I got stuck with a few groupons that I couldn't use (never wanted to ski the WROD) also Mountain sports clubnever sent me the 2 I was supposed to get from them because Magic never sent them the tickets. Also I asked MSC to refund me they kept saying they were going to but never received that either. Glad there are new owners and won't join MSC again. Once bitten twice shy.
    You should still be able to use the Groupon for the value that you paid. The promotional value expires but not the price paid. You should be able to apply the amount paid toward a ticket. However, the recent sale could possibly void this, as the business technically no longer exists. I would also call MSC again when/if vouchers become available and ask for some for this season.

  5. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by ss20 View Post
    Completely agree. Even if every hour of labor was free from volunteers I have trouble seeing how $1 million could fix Black and get snowmaking up to the 70% threshold. And is this same $ figure also covering basic year-to-year maintenance? Stretching $200,000-$400,000 a year to do maintenance and get (essentially) an entire snowmaking system rebuilt and rebuilding a lift that has not ran for 2 seasons sounds like a hefty task.
    There has already been significant work on Black. It is not a "complete rebuild" by any means. There is work to be done but the lift specialists are on site with a plan that the lift inspector has reviewed.

    Same with snowmaking. Pipes technically cover 70%. Lots of repair work to be done to get to 70% coverage, but the core 30-50% is ready to go and the rest requires welding repaire, not "rebuilding". We just need Do Work to, well, do some welding work!

    And to be clear, they have more than $1mm....
    Last edited by slatham; Aug 24, 2016 at 7:19 PM.
    2017/18 =
    2016/17 = 31
    2015/16 = Depressing
    2014/15 = 28
    2013/14 = 27

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    Didn't the hopeful Saddleback co-op say they needed $3m-$6m just to be able to open this season. $20m over 4 years.

  7. #37
    I think the largest hindrance to Magic getting 70% functional snowmaking capacity isn't leaky pipes, but lack of water supply to cover 70% of the mountain. From what I understand, their snowmaking pond isn't very large and doesn't have the greatest refill rate
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    Quote Originally Posted by drjeff View Post
    I think the largest hindrance to Magic getting 70% functional snowmaking capacity isn't leaky pipes, but lack of water supply to cover 70% of the mountain. From what I understand, their snowmaking pond isn't very large and doesn't have the greatest refill rate
    Yeah they should rip off some EB-5 investors to increase capacity.

    Oh wait someone's already doing that.

  9. #39
    refill rate is actually pretty darn good with a couple options to give it a boost when needed. That said, at some point rebuilding the dam to the old height will be needed.

  10. #40
    People keep referencing 70% snowmaking, but the article clearly states that the goal is to bring snowmaking from 30% to 50% by the fifth year. That's not a major increase / expense for a small ski area like Magic. I'm sure some of that expense will be upfront with initial investment and some with reinvestment of profits.

    Get the Black going, manage the place better, hope for some average to above average winters and hopefully things work out. This is Magic we're talking about. It doesn't sound like they want to change things all that much, just offer a bit more consistent of a product.

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