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    The lift systems across Europe look like something out of a science fiction book. Some of ours look like..little house on the prairie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingslug View Post
    The lift systems across Europe look like something out of a science fiction book. Some of ours look like..little house on the prairie.
    True, thought I have grown to hate all these skis off lifts, especially trams and funiculars.

  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by benski View Post
    In Europe those bubbles are everywhere. I wonder why they are less popular in the east. I speculate the east coast ski areas pay much more for shipping relative to resorts in the alps.
    Quote Originally Posted by kingslug View Post
    The lift systems across Europe look like something out of a science fiction book. Some of ours look like..little house on the prairie.
    From what I remember hearing/reading, many lift systems in Europe are also subsidized by the government which drops the cost for resorts to install them. In some areas they are essentially considered part of public transportation systems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benski View Post
    In Europe those bubbles are everywhere. I wonder why they are less popular in the east. I speculate the east coast ski areas pay much more for shipping relative to resorts in the alps.
    Try no government subsidy and slim profit margins. A new lift often costs too much, add in all the frills, well... In the east, if you get one signature lift you are lucky. Very few have 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by machski View Post
    Try no government subsidy and slim profit margins. A new lift often costs too much, add in all the frills, well... In the east, if you get one signature lift you are lucky. Very few have 2.

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    I thought wind may be a factor as well in that bubble lifts are far more sail like than bare metal poles.

    I'll fly to Europe and take govt subsidies all day long. It's still cheaper than going to CO for a week vacation with my young kids (who ski for free in Europe) at the current exchange rate. Heated seats, bubble lifts, gondolas, trams....all in a place that doesn't really get that cold.

    One other factor, a much greater population density of people who actually live to ski. Take Switzerland with a land area roughly the size of VT and NH with a population of 8 million (2 milllion in VT and NH). What % skis in Switzerland (50%+?) versus VT/NH (10%?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by billo View Post
    I thought wind may be a factor as well in that bubble lifts are far more sail like than bare metal poles.

    I'll fly to Europe and take govt subsidies all day long. It's still cheaper than going to CO for a week vacation with my young kids (who ski for free in Europe) at the current exchange rate. Heated seats, bubble lifts, gondolas, trams....all in a place that doesn't really get that cold.

    One other factor, a much greater population density of people who actually live to ski. Take Switzerland with a land area roughly the size of VT and NH with a population of 8 million (2 milllion in VT and NH). What % skis in Switzerland (50%+?) versus VT/NH (10%?)
    Actually with the bubbles down, they do very well in the wind, better than most open chairs!

    For example, even before anyone sits on it, the bubble 6's at The Hermitage, Mount Snow and Okemo weigh about 1400lbs a piece. That mass makes them quite stable in some big winds.

    I have seen many days at Mount Snow where the open Grand Summit Express quad was on wind hold while the Bluebird which basically runs the same essentially parallel route to the summit just a few hundred feet to the North, is running, and not even at reduced speed either.

    The mass of the bubble, combined with how with the bubble down that air flows over, around and under the chairs make them quite good in the wind

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  7. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by cdskier View Post
    From what I remember hearing/reading, many lift systems in Europe are also subsidized by the government which drops the cost for resorts to install them. In some areas they are essentially considered part of public transportation systems.
    Why do they subsidize they subsidize the lifts? I can't see many of these lifts being useful to non skiers and sightseers.

  8. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by benski View Post
    Why do they subsidize they subsidize the lifts? I can't see many of these lifts being useful to non skiers and sightseers.
    No clue, but I could guess that they treat it like a public park sort of deal? If enough people ski and/or sight see, I could see it being seen as worthwhile by the towns/population.

  9. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by benski View Post
    Why do they subsidize they subsidize the lifts? I can't see many of these lifts being useful to non skiers and sightseers.
    These godless, wealth distributing communists, no good socialists!! Taxing and spending their citizens' money on useless things like ski lifts....
    Actually, a lot of those lifts are used throughout the year , supporting a rather robust mountain tourism. It's amazing to arrive at some high mountain chalet and be able to buy a hot meal and wash it down with excellent beer. They all over the Alps.
    Live for today

  10. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by Bumpsis View Post
    These godless, wealth distributing communists, no good socialists!! Taxing and spending their citizens' money on useless things like ski lifts....
    Actually more fascist for a government to pick and choose industries to subsidize
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