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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Harvey View Post
    If "they" is Belleayre then you are incorrect. The Gondi wasn't requested by Belle, the way those funds were spent was not determined by Belleayre.



    I also don't like taking my skis off.

    The Gondola at Gore made skiing possible over this most recent holiday period. There were two days last week when the Gore vert would have been 280' without the Gondi. There was definitely some significant ROI this holiday for all hills with enclosed lifts.

    The gondi makes more sense the way it is now at Gore vs going to the summit. Gondolas should serve all levels, not just experts. Beginners are often young children and protection from the wind is important. The way the Gore gondi is set now is good, especially if you don't like waiting in lift lines.
    So you are saying Belleayre never spoke to the state at all on things they would like to have. Randomly one day they just received a phone call saying they were getting a gondola? Yea seems pretty unrealistic to me to.


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  2. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Harvey View Post
    How long is the Belle gondi ride in minutes?
    7.22 minutes per the Doppelmayr contract.

    As for the complaints about taking skis off or not...I don't particularly like taking my skis on and off, but that's not part of my issues with the lift.

  3. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkshot99 View Post
    So you are saying Belleayre never spoke to the state at all on things they would like to have. Randomly one day they just received a phone call saying they were getting a gondola? Yea seems pretty unrealistic to me to.
    That's not what I am saying. I'm sure Belle speaks to the state about things they would like to have.

    I'm saying that this specific project came about through a political process similar to the way Burnt Ridge and the Ski Bowl were developed at Gore. Those projects did not start with the GM saying "we need this."

    All the GMs want more snowmaking. More terrain makes your life harder (in the short run) more snowmaking makes it easier.

  4. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkshot99 View Post
    So you are saying Belleayre never spoke to the state at all on things they would like to have. Randomly one day they just received a phone call saying they were getting a gondola? Yea seems pretty unrealistic to me to.
    I actually think in this case that isn't too far off...a new lift along that configuration has been in the proposed master plan for a while. However in the plan as recently as the 2015 version with the final environmental impact statement it was slated to be a HSQ. I would not at all be surprised if it was a politician that wanted something flashier for their money that orchestrated the decision to change it to a gondola.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harvey View Post
    That's not what I am saying. I'm sure Belle speaks to the state about things they would like to have.

    I'm saying that this specific project came about through a political process similar to the way Burnt Ridge and the Ski Bowl were developed at Gore. Those projects did not start with the GM saying "we need this."

    All the GMs want more snowmaking. More terrain makes your life harder (in the short run) more snowmaking makes it easier.
    The Belleayre Unit Management Plan spells out in great detail what Belleayre "wants" or believes it "needs" to be a competitive mountain for the future. Some of the pieces of the plan are quite impressive and fairly well thought out. For example the plan wants to increase their snowmaking capacity to 10500 GPM (7500 GPM for the upper mountain and 3000 GPM for the lower mountain). Current water capacity is 4500GPM (3000 upper and 1500 lower). That is a sizeable upgrade and would put Belleayre in a very nice position from a snowmaking pov.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdskier View Post
    7.22 minutes per the Doppelmayr contract.
    That's not really a short ride. K1 is 8 minutes.

  6. #36
    Well, if we get a dump from this storm, I might go up and try out the Gondi on Sunday!

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    While taking skis of once is not the end of the world,taking them off every run is a real no go for this guy.I never use the tram at Cannon and actually cant stand being herded into a cabin like cattle and pressed up against bad smelling people.Then the race out the door to get your skis on and take off before the masses beat you.A gondi doesn't have all these issues but staring at a couple dweebs I dont want to is not for me either.I enjoy talking with others on a chair if they want but I dont have to be face to face if Mr douchebag is on the same lift with me.
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  8. #38
    I hate sitting in the germ box, first thing I do when I get in is open the windows. Taking off my skis is a pain in the ass as well.

  9. #39
    the reason I don't like aspen (ajax) is that you need to take the gondola to access a long run of vertical, so you are constantly taking skis off
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    Wah wah wah!! Complaining about having to take your skis off?

    First world crybabies.

    I'm all for letting them execute the plan and see what emerges in 5 years or so. Sure the Gondola looks out of place right now but that's because it is a 21st century piece of equipment in the middle of a mid-20th century ski area.

    It is possible that the long range planners have a better idea of the realities of this upgrade than the AZ ski area development council here.

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