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    Ive been going to Utah for 20 years straight, at least twice a year. Alta, snowbird, solitude. Ive skied all over this country, canada and Europe...Utah is still tops with me. Park city not so much, it has nothing in common with little and Big cottonwood canyons. But you really need to ski these places a lot, hook up with locals,etc to really see what they have to offer. The map readers as they are called dont get to the good stuff simply because they do not know how or where..which is not their fault at all, just lack of knowledge of the place.
    As far as beer..bottled beer can be any proof, tap is swill. I dont care about the food so no comment on that. My best skiing has almost all been done there. And where else can you land and be on the mt in 1 hour flat..

    Lets go!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenedictGomez View Post
    And Utah in general.
    And Mormons in general.
    And the state of Utah in general.
    And Salt Lake City in general.
    And all its' bars and restaurants in general.
    Excellent points.

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    At the risk of drawing broad conclusions, somehow the words “teleskier“ and “lunch reservation” don’t really jive for me.

    What I love about Salt Lake City is the variety. And the public transportation. I don’t know of anywhere else or you can really access so many mountains so easily. And without a car!

    Maybe Summit County is somewhat similar in terms of options but most of the Colorado resorts I’ve been to are “destination resorts,”

    This is a very strange post. Where did you ski? Also say I did not have any problems long run outs or cat tracks, certainly nothing out of the ordinary when you’re getting around the resort that spans multiple draws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teleskier View Post
    From the title I got a different notion of what this thread was about.

    I just got back last week from my first visit to Utah.

    How bad could it be?

    1. Lulled into joining a liberal ski event I wanted to support in a infamously red state, but that was a bust where it turned out to have no one actually skiing in it, so skied alone. Felt like I got bait and switch’ed and gave my money to a place I wouldn’t have otherwise supported. Fool me once…
    2. You only find watered-down half-strength ‘kinder-bier’ for après ski - really?
      • Never could tell if you’re better off with bottled beer vs draft beer - since got half strength watered-down beer from both? Locals swore by one or the other - but the 'rule' never held. Always ended up with weak tasteless bad beer.

    3. Martinis served in kid’s-sized glasses, as if taken from a doll house? Where are the REAL adult-sized martini glasses? Is this on Candid Camera?? Yet they charge same price as if it was a normal sized adult martini?
    4. Cuisine as expensive as Aspen but nowhere near the quality of Aspen (charging Aspen prices for mediocre cowboy cuisine)
    5. Not as friendly as other western ski areas, so didn’t hook up with other skiers on the chairs or in the bars - again, skied alone, which is first time this ever happened in skiing many places out west
    6. Accosted by no less than 5 Mitt Romney supporters outside SLC convention center on my way to the airport to sign their “get him on ballot” petition. “Since you asked me - Let me tell you about him from my experience of him as Governor of Mass” - “Don’t bother, he’s a Mormon, and that’s enough to get my vote”.
    7. Mediocre man-made machine-groomed snow, yet western “no way there’s any good skiing back east” attitude to which you had to say: “You know - right now Vermont has better snow than you here right now” - to their horrified stunned faces. Did I even mention skiing over rocks and roots on your double-blacks here?
    8. Spent the week just traversing around the ravines, it seemed 85% of the time you were skate-skiing across flat cat-tracks trying to get around to various lifts, or worse "trails as snow sidewalks" through endless number of other people's trophy homes, to get from Park City to the sole ONE mountain lunch spot that actually had a bar which was in Canyons, etc.
    9. If you skied one good section for 5 minutes, it was short and short lived, and always led to the end in the bottom of yet another endless ravine, flat skiing for another 15 minutes, green trails back to the everyone is funneled, way-too-crowded lift (Tombstone lift was aptly named)
    10. Bad food, bad beer, bad martinins, bad snow, and filled with Mitt Romney supporting morons (said morons, not mormons)


    Yeah - that kind of bad Life is too short to ski Utah.
    This is a serious post? yeah right! If half of this actually happened to you... oh never mind, not worth my time.

  5. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by Abominable View Post
    At the risk of drawing broad conclusions, somehow the words “teleskier“ and “lunch reservation” don’t really jive for me.

    What I love about Salt Lake City is the variety. And the public transportation. I don’t know of anywhere else or you can really access so many mountains so easily. And without a car!

    Maybe Summit County is somewhat similar in terms of options but most of the Colorado resorts I’ve been to are “destination resorts,”

    This is a very strange post. Where did you ski? Also say I did not have any problems long run outs or cat tracks, certainly nothing out of the ordinary when you’re getting around the resort that spans multiple draws.

    Tahoe, forgot about Tahoe for easy access to several areas.

    And now I see you went to park city. Never been, due to its reputation as being pretty nothing special

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teleskier View Post
    I thought it was clear in my post: too many flat cat-track traverses, ending in a long boring green cat-track ravines at the end of every run, spending all morning going across 7+ lifts across 7 ravines just to get the sole lunch spot in time for your lunch reservation (the fact you even need a reservation), skiing through the sidewalks of other people's trophy Canyons houses ad nauseam proffered as 'premiere Utah skiing trails', etc, etc.

    No matter where you went, you ended up in yet another long boring ravine traverse. And surprise, surprise, here we are yet again back to crazy-packed Tombstone lift yet-an-f'in-again. Just trying to get to Quicksilver gondie to go across more f'in red-rock ravines.

    But to each their own. It did sound as if the majority there on the lifts with me were happiest on the green and shallow blue trails, so perhaps most visitors wouldn't even notice these traverses or 'skiing' those sidewalks between the houses??

    And someone here just said, more Utah for them. Congrats. You can have it. You won't catch me there again. Been fooled once, partly due to folks here extolling to virtues of Utah in last year's season pass discussions. I knew better, but gave it a chance anyway. No fault of anyone here, I took my own chance. People value different aspects of different places.

    Happily there are many other places in the world with excellent skiing and ski cuisine and ski culture, for the aspects I happen to value and want my dollars to keep alive and support. Utah is not it.
    That's Park City, absolutely not for everyone. Canyons especially is filled with traverses. Not my favorite for sure. That said I find the Winter Park traverses way more infuriating. However regardless, beyond Park City/Canyons none of the other Utah areas ski that way. Many with 2000-2500+ continuous vertical, as much or more than any CO area. What about the other mountains made them worse than the CO ones? Or were you only at PC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abominable View Post

    What I love about Salt Lake City is the variety. And the public transportation. I don’t know of anywhere else or you can really access so many mountains so easily. And without a car!
    It's amazing that the public transportation is considered "good" in America just by existing. And this is coming from someone who works at a transit agency, who has driven a 40 foot and 60 foot city transit bus through city streets.

    I found Utah's ski busses to be too small, overcrowded and infrequent. It is amazing that there is a bus: yes! However for a skiing destination as close as it is to a major city, there should be a train or a more frequent/ faster connection. Just look at the Alps or Europe for inspiration.

    While Utah continues to run their ancient busses, Denver has already installed a train all the way to the airport (which by the way is really far from the city center). Nice try Utah, but you still are second best
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    Utah: How bad can it be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Teleskier View Post
    I thought it was clear in my post: too many flat cat-track traverses, ending in a long boring green cat-track ravines at the end of every run, spending all morning going across 7+ lifts across 7 ravines just to get the sole lunch spot in time for your lunch reservation (the fact you even need a reservation), skiing through the sidewalks of other people's trophy Canyons houses ad nauseam proffered as 'premiere Utah skiing trails', etc, etc.

    No matter where you went, you ended up in yet another long boring ravine traverse. And surprise, surprise, here we are yet again back to crazy-packed Tombstone lift yet-an-f'in-again. Just trying to get to Quicksilver gondie to go across more f'in red-rock ravines.

    But to each their own. It did sound as if the majority there on the lifts with me were happiest on the green and shallow blue trails, so perhaps most visitors wouldn't even notice these traverses or 'skiing' those sidewalks between the houses??

    And someone here just said, more Utah for them. Congrats. You can have it. You won't catch me there again. Been fooled once, partly due to folks here extolling to virtues of Utah in last year's season pass discussions. I knew better, but gave it a chance anyway. No fault of anyone here, I took my own chance. People value different aspects of different places.

    Happily there are many other places in the world with excellent skiing and ski cuisine and ski culture, for the aspects I happen to value and want my dollars to keep alive and support. Utah is not it.
    Your problem is that you didn’t know HOW to ski PCMR. A little studying of the trail map and you can plan your day and avoid traversing all day. Admittedly it is very easy to fall into the trap of traversing the area instead of skiing.

    You also could have asked here for advice before you went. As you said, a lot of folks ski here and post on AZ.

    There’s much more to Utah than PCMR. A hell of a lot more.




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  10. #60

    Give me Aspen Highlands or Telluride or even Beaver Creek any day. Better skiing, better food, better flights, better friendly people, better mountains, better trails, less traverses, less uptight around wine with dinner, and real drinks for when the few times you'd want one, you can have one. Utah was enough to drive one to drink! Even here it makes one sound like an alcoholic, when one just simply wanted ONE but PROPER post-skiing beer.

    None of it... no. "Not to be had in Utah."
    I knew not to take this post seriously when you said that telluride has better flights than Salt Lake City.

    Personally, I’ve had much better experiences on average in Utah than Colorado or Tahoe.

    Hard to compare beer at any of these places to what we have here in New England. Vermont blows them all away so anything is a step down.

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