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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Jcb890 View Post
    If you actually tried to back up your claim, you would see that on each of the mountain's Facebook pages that posted this deal, it is almost universally an AWFUL response from customers. I have gone through all the comments on Sugarloaf, Killington and Sunday River... not a single post in favor of the IKON Pass. The majority of the comments on the Teton Gravity Research FB Post are also negative, and that is a much broader audience than New England/East Coast. I think I saw 2 positive comments out of 50+ on TGR.
    Quote Originally Posted by cdskier View Post
    Hah...I hadn't thought of looking at the FB comments on the announcements. Was just looking at the ones on the Killington post about Icon and some are absolutely brutal. I did see one comment from someone on Killington's post that thought the new pass was great (but they travel out west a lot I gather from the resorts they were happy about).
    Quote Originally Posted by KustyTheKlown View Post
    the facebook comments on the eastern mountains are pretty funny. people are losing their shit. and the less informed (90% of the people out there, we're an outlier group of obsessives) are all like 'don't worry just get max again', lol.

    i doubt the western places are getting any hate. if they are, its probably about the influx of easterners that will flood Jackson
    RMSP passholders are actually upset. Seen quite a few of them posting on the main Ikon page. Also Mammoth passholders are pissed too (I think $899 is more than the Cali pass previously).

    Unfortunately for Alterra, they likely were actually banking on grabbing a bunch of eastern visits out west. They are going to be disappointed I think. I know I might be getting the MCP depending on the mountains it has. Makes me think the MCP will go bye bye next year if it steals from Ikon too much.


  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by Jully View Post
    RMSP passholders are actually upset. Seen quite a few of them posting on the main Ikon page.
    What are the RMSP passholders upset about? I don't see much that was taken away from them...but I do see a lot more they now would get. Not sure what the early rate on the RMSP was, but the Ikon Base at $599 basically gives unlimited access to the same resorts they had on the RMSP and then some...

  3. #63
    yea this seems the same as RMSP plus a lot more unless I'm missing something

    RMSP may have been $459 early bird? so it could be a price bump gripe? but they get Jackson altabird etc. i guess CO homers don't feel the urge to travel as much...

  4. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by cdskier View Post
    What are the RMSP passholders upset about? I don't see much that was taken away from them...but I do see a lot more they now would get. Not sure what the early rate on the RMSP was, but the Ikon Base at $599 basically gives unlimited access to the same resorts they had on the RMSP and then some...
    Quote Originally Posted by KustyTheKlown View Post
    yea this seems the same as RMSP plus a lot more unless I'm missing something

    RMSP may have been $459 early bird? so it could be a price bump gripe? but they get Jackson altabird etc. i guess CO homers don't feel the urge to travel as much...
    I believe it was a bit under $500. That is probably the only gripe? Steamboat is now blacked out too, so they're stuck with Copper and WP (both get BIG crowds). Much less of a big deal than the change for easterners!

    All in all I think it is just different. For us back east this is clearly designed to drive people out west, it is not meant to be a standalone eastern pass like MAX ended up being for many. If you're looking to ski less than 20 days back east and 20 or more days out west, this is probably a huge improvement over MAX.

    Out west Alterra seems to be looking to steal market share from Vail through a bunch of perk days at other mountains.

  5. #65
    Have to imagine with all the eastern hate on this pass, someone might look to swoop in and take advantage. This is Vail's big change to really pick up the eastern market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jully View Post
    I believe it was a bit under $500. That is probably the only gripe? Steamboat is now blacked out too, so they're stuck with Copper and WP (both get BIG crowds). Much less of a big deal than the change for easterners!
    Price is definitely an issue. I know quite a few people who got the RMSP and ski WP and Copper exclusively, but only a limited days. Their break-even point is now higher. Keep in mind when your home mountain is Copper+WP, you have it good and there's really not a whole lot of motivation to go ski anywhere else. So it's a pure price increase for no good benefit.

    The black out on Steamboat also hurts some. I used to get the RMSP and spent Christmas at Steamboat, the only mountain that has reasonable lines and very often GOOD EARLY SEASON SNOW! Granted, since I travel to other mountains so I'll deal with losing SB over Christmas. But for Denver locals, again it's a pure lose.

    What I think quite likely to happen, is SOME of those complainers WILL drive to Aspen for those 5 days. And they WILL change their mind about the balance of the new pass!

    Alterra is probably banking on some of them being impressed by Aspen they may even go all the way to Jackson and Big Sky.

  7. #67
    same distance approximately denver>steamboat and denver>aspen, no?

  8. #68
    Put me in the camp of MAX pass holder (for the last 3 seasons) that is not going to buy Ikon. The brilliance of MAX was its simplicity, every mountain had 5 days, every mountain had no blackouts, every mountain was effectively treated the same on the pass. The no blackouts was huge and allowed for so much flexibility, I play my ski planning in the east week to week, and sometimes day to day. MAX allowed me to go to Vermont for a weekend if there were great conditions, go to New Hampshire if I just needed a day trip, or go to Wachusett if I just needed an escape for a few hours. Ikon is way too complex in comparison. Forcing you to plan ahead and is designed to be limiting in comparison to the flexibility of MAX.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zand View Post
    Have to imagine with all the eastern hate on this pass, someone might look to swoop in and take advantage. This is Vail's big change to really pick up the eastern market.
    I agree that there is probably another shoe to drop. Some possiblilities:

    Crested Butte as it stands now has been completely left out of the Colorado pass wars, so Triple Peaks could be joining up with Epic possibly similar to what Telluride did. Which would then put Okemo and Sunapee on Epic.

    Mountain Collective supposedly is still going to happen for 18/19 but almost all current MC areas are now on Ikon. This leads me to believe MC will look very different next year. The only MC mountains in North America not on Ikon are Snowbasin, Sun Valley, and Taos.

  9. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by xlr8r View Post
    Put me in the camp of MAX pass holder (for the last 3 seasons) that is not going to buy Ikon. The brilliance of MAX was its simplicity, every mountain had 5 days, every mountain had no blackouts, every mountain was effectively treated the same on the pass. The no blackouts was huge and allowed for so much flexibility, I play my ski planning in the east week to week, and sometimes day to day. MAX allowed me to go to Vermont for a weekend if there were great conditions, go to New Hampshire if I just needed a day trip, or go to Wachusett if I just needed an escape for a few hours. Ikon is way too complex in comparison. Forcing you to plan ahead and is designed to be limiting in comparison to the flexibility of MAX.



    I agree that there is probably another shoe to drop. Some possiblilities:

    Crested Butte as it stands now has been completely left out of the Colorado pass wars, so Triple Peaks could be joining up with Epic possibly similar to what Telluride did. Which would then put Okemo and Sunapee on Epic.

    Mountain Collective supposedly is still going to happen for 18/19 but almost all current MC areas are now on Ikon. This leads me to believe MC will look very different next year. The only MC mountains in North America not on Ikon are Snowbasin, Sun Valley, and Taos.
    Haha I originally included Okemo and Sunapee in my post initially in that they might be the first to find some kind of new pass group. Epic would make bank if they had those 2, Jay, and Burke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zand View Post
    Haha I originally included Okemo and Sunapee in my post initially in that they might be the first to find some kind of new pass group. Epic would make bank if they had those 2, Jay, and Burke.
    I would buy in on that.
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