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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by mbedle View Post
    Also keep in mind that the Waterville Valley expansion was done under their SUP and a Forestry Services permit. I am guessing, but pretty sure, that the environmental requirements for the Hunter expansion were a lot less than what Waterville is dealing with.
    I wonder if that is the case. I figure it's a case of WV wants to spread the costs and they have 2% of the crowding issues Hunter has. Hunter also had the corporate will power of Peak driving things along with competing NYState owned reapers getting big investments lately. WV is doing Green Peak because they need to do something after 40+ years of no changes at all and going 25 years of no new lifts(Jesus that's a sad figure).

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  2. #42
    I'd imagine part of the reason WV is going so slow is they want to sell the place. Perhaps they are paying for much of the work with operating profit instead of accumulating a lot of debt that they likely won't get a great ROI in the sale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbedle View Post
    Also keep in mind that the Waterville Valley expansion was done under their SUP and a Forestry Services permit. I am guessing, but pretty sure, that the environmental requirements for the Hunter expansion were a lot less than what Waterville is dealing with.

    Hunter lies within the "Catskill Forest Preserve" (NYSDEC) and is in the NYC watershed governed by the DEP..

    There were permits... And environmental requirements.... trust me...
    Nobody makes a move in the Catskills without the DEP getting involved..

  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by deadheadskier View Post
    I'd imagine part of the reason WV is going so slow is they want to sell the place. Perhaps they are paying for much of the work with operating profit instead of accumulating a lot of debt that they likely won't get a great ROI in the sale.

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    This is the scuttlebutt I have heard. It makes perfect sense too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jully View Post
    This is the scuttlebutt I have heard. It makes perfect sense too.
    Probably why they scrapped a new HSQ for Green and went with a relocated World Cup Triple instead. That makes a bit of a mess, as Green peak all the way down to town with a Gondola back up is still on the boards. A slow triple to link that would be poor, making a new buyer likely needing to upgrade they lift installed now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Funky_Catskills View Post
    Hunter lies within the "Catskill Forest Preserve" (NYSDEC) and is in the NYC watershed governed by the DEP..

    There were permits... And environmental requirements.... trust me...
    Nobody makes a move in the Catskills without the DEP getting involved..
    No one farts in the Catskills, without the DEP getting involved!

  7. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by andrec10 View Post
    No one farts in the Catskills, without the DEP getting involved!
    WMNF is a cake walk in comparison

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  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by sull1102 View Post
    WMNF is a cake walk in comparison

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    Sarcasm? A comparable project to Hunters would be South Peak at Loon. That took nearly 20 years to push through.

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  9. #49
    Try doing anything at all in upstate NY and you shall see. Don't forget NY is in the business so when they're deciding whether or not to approve your expansion, well it might take a good long minute. South Peak did not take almost 20 years for permits. They started cutting those trails back in 97 then stalled out, but once they decided they were actually going for it things moved along. Although that's another good example of a long build out as well. It's been what ten years since the Lincoln Express started spinning and still to this day it doesn't have all the terrain originally planned.

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    Didn't "stall out" in 97. They were forced to stop.

    http://www.newenglandskihistory.com/.../southpeak.php

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