Anyone want to move to VT?

JimG. · Jun 14, 2018

Hawk said:
I almost didn't even vote this last election because I didn't like any of the options. It amazes me that the parties can not come up with new blood that has new and interesting ideas.

Mainstream politicians don't care about interesting ideas.

They only care about lining their own pockets and those of the lobbying groups. That's pretty easy to do and it amazes me that over 350 million people can't/don't try to organize to remove them all.

The current climate of partisan extremism makes it even easier. As a general population we are pretty stupid.

AdironRider · Jun 14, 2018

deadheadskier said:
The candidates that advance and do well are propped up by lobbying interests. Until campaign finance laws change, I see it always being much of the same from both sides. Though Trump is probably the best modern example of an outsider breaking that mold.

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And that was only really because he was able to self finance the first half of the campaign pretty much. I know he got reimbursed for a bunch of stuff, but he still needed the cash to bankroll it for a bit.

Says a lot when you basically have to be a billionaire or sell your soul to special interests to be a successful candidate though.

benski · Jun 14, 2018

Jully said:
It is unfortunate that a state's future is at all tied to its implications for elections. If CA thinks that it is best for the state to split it, then it should split. Election trends are likely to look way different 30 years from now, so in the long run it really doesn't matter.

This statement makes a mockery of the Senate and electoral college.

Jully · Jun 14, 2018

benski said:
This statement makes a mockery of the Senate and electoral college.

In what way?

machski · Jun 14, 2018

speden said:
States like California and Texas probably should be split up since they are crazy big in terms of population and economic output. And maybe small states like Vermont and New Hampshire should be merged.

I agree that politicians have a very short term outlook of winning the next election, and don't think about the long term, so fat chance any state lines are going to be redrawn.

You can see the short term outlook with the rampant gerrymandering (sadly invented in Boston) that they use to guarantee certain seats in congress will be one party or the other. But when you're just competing with your own party during an election for a seat, then naturally the more extreme person for that party will tend to win. So the short term gain of gerrymandering has the long term effect of promoting really extreme views in each party and the polarization of everything.

I couldn't help but laugh at the media reaction after Trump's Singapore summit. Fox news was touting it as a massive success and the end of the nuclear threat from North Korea, while MSNBC was saying OMG he promised to stop the super important war games with South Korea and got nothing in return. The truth is somewhere in the middle that it was just a positive first step, and things could go either way from here.

No, NH has no interest in merging with VT, thank you. Of course, if the municipality of Killington would like to try and Cecede again from VT and join NH, we would be happy to entertain that.

On the flip side, the CA article notes that while the measure for the requisite 800K or so signatures, it likely stands no chance of actually passing. The person who fronted the moment apparently proposed to break CA up into like 8 states in the past too.

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thetrailboss · Jun 14, 2018

machski said:
No, NH has no interest in merging with VT, thank you. Of course, if the municipality of Killington would like to try and Cecede again from VT and join NH, we would be happy to entertain that.

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Yeah, whatever happened to that?!

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benski · Jun 14, 2018

Jully said:
In what way?

You just explained how the Senate and electoral college make otherwise meaningless geographic divisions politically important.

BenedictGomez · Jun 15, 2018

Meaningless?

Terry · Jun 15, 2018

What happened to the no politics discussed policy?

Smellytele · Jun 15, 2018

Terry said:
What happened to the no politics discussed policy?

No one has really taken a side just pointing out general government stupidness.

JimG. · Jun 15, 2018

Smellytele said:
No one has really taken a side just pointing out general government stupidness.

Precisely.

speden · Oct 1, 2018

SNL's take on Vermont

thetrailboss · Oct 1, 2018

speden said:
SNL's take on Vermont

I thought it was funny.

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speden · Oct 2, 2018

thetrailboss said:
I thought it was funny.

I liked how they threw in a reference to Subaru's at the end. Reminded me of some threads here.

bdfreetuna · Oct 2, 2018

haha that was pretty good. Was that from the Kanye West episode?

tnt1234 · Oct 2, 2018

deadheadskier said:
The candidates that advance and do well are propped up by lobbying interests. Until campaign finance laws change, I see it always being much of the same from both sides. Though Trump is probably the best modern example of an outsider breaking that mold.

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Well, on the GOP side it's gotten a bit more complicated. The candidates that do well are those that are embraced by right wing media, who give countless dollars in free advertising in return for bombastic statements and far right attitudes that in turn drive ratings to the media outlets/

This had not really been true on the Presidential level until trump, but has been true on the house/senate (particularly the house) for quite some time.

tnt1234 · Oct 2, 2018

But getting back to the OP - yes, I want to live in vermont. Can't see how this program helps me though. No way I can do my job remotely.

bdfreetuna · Oct 2, 2018

tnt1234 said:
bombastic statements and far right attitudes that in turn drive ratings to the media outlets/

inconvenient facts

Blowhard · Oct 3, 2018

tnt1234 said:
But getting back to the OP - yes, I want to live in vermont. Can't see how this program helps me though. No way I can do my job remotely.

just got a place on a lake near okemo. next year when last kid is off to college, i plan on living there a few weeks at a time, working remotely and skiing magic, killington or heading up to brandon gap.

tnt1234 · Oct 3, 2018

triguy914 said:
just got a place on a lake near okemo. next year when last kid is off to college, i plan on living there a few weeks at a time, working remotely and skiing magic, killington or heading up to brandon gap.

Nice. What lake? I browse VT and upstate NY real estate occasionally looking for that perfect lake front mountain getaway.

Anyone want to move to VT?

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