steamboat1
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Yes he was a lucky sperm.
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The "Sugarbush Thread"
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WWF-VT
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Tha's the most dumbass comment that you have added to this thread so far. WTF is your problem with how Sugarbush is financing it's expansion over the past 10+ years ? Why don't you just stay at Killington and save your attempts at witty comments for KillingtonZone.
where did you get that 100m number from??? seems high to me.
steamboat1
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Since the completion date for the project is 2013 I'd assume that figure doesn't include Gadd Brook.
https://eb5projects.com/projects/500-sugarbush-ski-resort
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MadMadWorld
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There is really nothing good over there.
steamboat1
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Try getting approval from the Forest Service. Lincoln Peak is on leased land whereas the land at Mt. Ellen is owned by the resort.
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steamboat1
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I'm sure he had to scrape & claw his way up the corporate ladder being his father was one of the founders. Sorry you took offense to the name I called him but the phrase was commonly used on the street for people like him.
No thank you.
I wouldnt put much faith into what's reported on that link. The scope of the project has changed considerably over the years.
rtjcbrown said:
Howie just wants to keep everything undeveloped to himself at both LP and ME 8)
Technically there is room to expand in that area. There was even an old plan floating around in SB's Vegetation Management plan from a number of years ago with it mapped out. Whether they actually would want to do this or could even get approval is another story. I'd rather leave LP alone though personally.
The exact same development maps that show the Upper Inverness and lower FIS terrain pods show a lift and trails in between CR and NL.
I'm with MMW I would not want to see that happen.
guitly as charged.
seriously though, that area is south facing, so snow retention on open trails would be a problem.
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Say what you want, but irrespective of where he topped out or how he got there, he is unarguably the best steward/owner SB has had in many decades, perhaps since its founding. In an era where skiing is no longer a growth sport, and climate/snowfall seem increasingly variable, he has guided SB to a path of sustainable operations in a manner that none of his predecessors were willing/able to do. Sure, ASC brought SB into the modern age with its orgy or much-needed lift and snowmaking investments (albeit with 2nd rate materials that are the source of many system issues today), but then they cut and run. Win is deeply invested in not just the resort, but the Mad River Valley more broadly and looks to be here for the long-term. He has used EB-5 money opportunistically but appears to prefer other methods, much of which comes from his own pocket or is based on cash flows of the operating business. Not sure why anyone would slag him for that unless they have an uninformed agenda.
Oh wait, is that steamboat1's music I hear??!!
machski
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Yes, Otten and ASC proposed a HSQ and widened/snowmaking for Castlerock. But when the locals screamed murder, they backed off, got together, and decided to leave it as is. When the new double went in, it was designed with very low capacity to match the old one and engineered with minimal towers to open up liftline a bit more. Ironically, the engineering had to be redone the following season as the lift had major shake/vibration issues initially.
Plowboy
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The local bumper sticker read " More Rock - Less Otten "
Newpylong
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Sugarbush would not be what it is today without Less. Massive snowmaking reservoir, much added coverage on mountain, new lifts, etc. Yet, they made some bone headed decisions like the Snail and Slidebrook. He always was two steps ahead and one back.
ss20
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I think that's a great way to describe the Otten/ASC regime. No one else relized the need for expanding terrain.
mbedle
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Doesn't look like it was going to be much, based on this article. 
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