Killington, 1/20/10 - The tamest "Beast" I've ever met :-(

BushMogulMaster · Mar 27, 2010

Welcome to the board, Mayhem. Question: did you read the original post, or the rest of the thread before your reply? I ask because your response/rebuttal seems to assume an awful lot, and doesn't directly apply to the topic at hand (mogul terrain and mogul formation).

BTW - lots of resorts make it without "extensive" grooming. And the bumps at Breck aren't great... Mary Jane is the mogul mountain.

Just to keep everything clear and open - I'm the original poster. I'm also a snowcat operator. And I spent some time making snow as well (night shift, 7-7). I speak from personal experience regarding snow science. I respect what you do, but respectfully disagree with your assessment.

BushMogulMaster · Mar 27, 2010

Oh, and regarding original topic... seems like K has been leaving more bumps since the major holidays have passed. I might be going down this week, and will post another report when I return. Hoping for a much better experience. I'll make sure to plan according to the forecast this time, instead of going on a whim at 9:00! :lol:

mayhem · Mar 27, 2010

Sorry, I did read the original post. But rather than choose from the several dozen wrong-headed comments to quote, I thought it might be easier to lump them all together with the shotgun approach!

Sorry for adding my 2 cents. I should have known better.

BushMogulMaster · Mar 27, 2010

mayhem said:
Sorry, I did read the original post. But rather than choose from the several dozen wrong-headed comments to quote, I thought it might be easier to lump them all together with the shotgun approach!

Sorry for adding my 2 cents. I should have known better.

Your 2 cents is always welcome. But that doesn't mean I have to agree. And vice versa.

:beer:

jack97 · Mar 27, 2010

mayhem said:
The idea that ANY ski resort in such a market could survive w/out extensive grooming is absurd. Why turn away 90% of your customers to cater to a few guys who show up twice a year expecting Breckenridge? Then they spend the rest of the year bad mouthing the place, the people, and the owners.

IMO, if a place leaves some decent lines, bumpers will show up more than twice a year. Seed them if you have to.... prolly a must given the crowds they are currently attracting.

BushMogulMaster · Mar 27, 2010

You can't forget - it's not just about "bumpers." It's about introducing those weekend warriors to something different, something more interesting than wall-to-wall cruisers. Progression and learning terrain is the key. More on that another day.

jack97 · Mar 27, 2010

BushMogulMaster said:
You can't forget - it's not just about "bumpers." It's about introducing those weekend warriors to something different, something more interesting than wall-to-wall cruisers. Progression and learning terrain is the key. More on that another day.

That's spot on. There's no point in placing a bump run or letting bumps form on a single steep trail, sometimes that defeats the purpose.

Another key point is placing them at the right trails, imo best places to put them are in areas where the trees can protect them from wind and in sunny spots so that they can soften up... preferably both. In addition, traffic pattern, got to make them easy to get to so skiers and borders can work them in. This season at Sunapee, they added another mogul section at upper cattaract but it was hard to work them in because you can't lap that trail. That section sometimes had good bumps after a good dump but otherwise never held its shape and being expose to the wind didn't help it any either. I'm thankful that Sunapee is trying but they should have seeded a third run at another trail.

Newpylong · Mar 27, 2010

They do need to stop being cheap f*cks and yank the towers out from Northeast Passage and Devil's Fiddle. It looks riduculous with them just rotting away. I guess the same can be said for the top terminal of Needles Eye too...

RootDKJ · Mar 27, 2010

oakapple · Mar 28, 2010

Newpylong said:
They do need to stop being cheap f*cks and yank the towers out from Northeast Passage and Devil's Fiddle. It looks riduculous with them just rotting away. I guess the same can be said for the top terminal of Needles Eye too...

I assume the Devil's Fiddle towers and terminals will come out at some point, as they're an eyesore, and in a position where lots of people are forced to look at them.

The unused Northeast Passage towers are technically off resort property now. They are only visible near the bottom of the Sunrise Chair, which the vast majority of K guests do not use. Removing those towers would be an expensive operation (I believe they would have to be helicoptered out of there), and K wouldn't be one iota better as a result of it.

Newpylong · Mar 28, 2010

I thought they still owned the area?

oakapple · Mar 28, 2010

Newpylong said:
I thought they still owned the area?

I am not sure whether they ever owned the Northeast Passage, or if they merely had a permit to operate a ski area on public land. But in any case, I am fairly certain that they gave up their operating rights in that area in exchange for permits to develop the connection to Pico. The latter, of course, is on indefinite hold, no one knows for sure if it'll ever happen.

Newpylong · Mar 29, 2010

Good point. If that is the case, I wonder how the state likes having old lift towers rusting away in the woods? perhaps they don't care... It goes to show you how rough shape ASC was in when they removed the lift, to leave the towers there.

bobbutts · Mar 29, 2010

OL should be left to bump up and all efforts made to keep the bumps in top condition.

:daffy:

bring back "Moguls the size of Volkswagens"

The weekend warriors will struggle to get down and talk about how legendary it is.

thetrailboss · Mar 29, 2010

mayhem said:
Sorry, I did read the original post. But rather than choose from the several dozen wrong-headed comments to quote, I thought it might be easier to lump them all together with the shotgun approach!

Sorry for adding my 2 cents. I should have known better.

I think it is fine to have a different POV, but I think that BMM is in no way a "weekend warrior" and is in the business. Most of your comments don't seem to reflect what BMM posted now over two months ago.

RootDKJ · Mar 29, 2010

thetrailboss said:
I think it is fine to have a different POV, but I think that BMM is in no way a "weekend warrior" and is in the business.

Ya think?:roll:. lol

BushMogulMaster · Mar 29, 2010

:lol: Thanks for the backup, guys! It's always easier to pick on people when you dehumanize them with some sort of manufactured title like "weekend warrior." :wink:

I'm not the consummate expert yet... I still have lots of years of experience to earn. But I feel like I've got a pretty good grasp on basic snow surface concepts, and a solid understanding of how that topic relates to the formation and quality of moguls.

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