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    Background
    I've been shopping around for a new car for a few weeks now. In the beginning of June, my 2008 Ford Escape Hybrid died while I was driving on the Garden State Parkway at 5:15 PM while I was in bumper to bumper traffic doing around 50mph. All of a sudden while I was driving, I got a message on the display to "Stop Safely Now!". I was able to restart the car after about 10 minutes and took it directly to Ford.

    Apparently, the water pump that cools the battery system is not covered under the Hybrid Unique Components warranty. Needles to say, I think it's really shitty of Ford not to cover this. There are 4 other of my co-workers who have the same car that had the same problem. I'm trying to get Ford to recognize that there's a possibility of a design problem but that's not going very well. This doesn't really leave a very good impression with me, so I have decided to sell the car.

    I've also been driving anywhere from 300-800 miles a week for work lately. The seat on the FEH isn't really all the comfortable on long drives and let's face it, hybrids aren't really that much fun to drive.

    Test Drives

    I drove a lot of mid-sized SUV's since then. Here's some of my impressions

    Hyundai Santa Fe - A real surprise of all the cars I drove. Good driving position, handles well and decent acceleration. Controls easy to use. Seat has great upper support but the seat portion felt very flat and unsupportive (but not uncomfortable). Great use of storage compartments.

    Nissan Murano - Great seat and driving position. Controls somewhat confusing and flashy. Sun roof was very noisy, but opening the rear windows a bit helps to lessen that. Fun to drive. My 2nd choice.



    Subaru Tribecca - I really tried to like this car. There's something dash/console that looks very sharp to me. While the seat was overall comfortable, I just couldn't get comfortable driving it. A bit sluggish off the line.

    Subaru Forrester - Overall a very nice ride. A bit smaller then I wanted.

    Mazda CX7 - Very fun to drive. Way to small.

    Mazda CX9 - Another surprise. Very comfortable, and great ride.

    Audi Q5 - What a ride. So comfortable. Drives on rails. Rear visibility is really reduced because of the spoiler. Controls not intuitive. Most fun to drive.

    Volvo XC60 - This is what I'm going to be getting. I really enjoy this car. And that brings me to my two options. Drive is almost as fun as the Q5.

    Which Car?
    So I've been working with 2 different dealers.

    Dealer A - Has a 2010 XC60 that meets my minimum requirements. He's offering me better then X-plan pricing and is going about $2K below invoice. He's also offering me a fair price for my Escape. The only thing I don't need in this model is the built-in rear booster seats (at the expense of heated rear seats). If we ever decide to have kids, we'll use M's XC90.

    Dealer B has a 2011 XC60 that has Volvo's BLIS. I like the how the BLIS system works, but it's not for everyone. He's offering me $240 over invoice. But there's some significant changes in the 2011 model in addition to the heated rear seats.

    • They put a much nicer set of rims on there.
    • Changed the power steering system to a electric/hydraulic system.
    • Increased hp from 281 to 300 (rumor of 1 MPG gain but not EPA tested yet)
    • Changed to the S80's steering wheel (nicer)
    • Cargo cover no longer standard.

    I don't yet know what dealer is going to offer me on a trade in. I let him know what I'm expecting.

    If things weren't confusing enough for me, one of my co-workers expressed interest in buying my Escape. He already has an Escape Hybrid, but no longer has personal use of it due to cutbacks. I told him I need a decision by Friday

    So if you're still reading this , which would you go for, the 2010 or 2011? Why?

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    What kind of warranty does the Volvo offer? Will you potentially get screwed on something like you did with the Ford?

    It's well documented here that I'm a big Hyundai fan; not because I think it's the most fun car to drive in the world. That's why I bought my wife a Mazda . but her cars only see 12K miles per year, so wear and tear is less of concern.

    Any warranty issues I've had with my Hyundai have been handled incredibly well. Even covered a problem past warranty for me over 100K miles. That was at a dealership I didn't even buy the car at.

    They're not 'fun' cars at all, but the build quality and reliability right now is on par with pretty much anything on the road for the price. Unless that changes, I think we'll always have one Hyundai as our high mileage people mover and then another more fun car for the 2nd car.

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    5 Years, 60K (same as the Ford, except for the Hybrid which is 7/100K). All standard maintenance are included for the warranty period.

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    Just a headsup, there is still a lot of Ford left in the Volvo's since the sale just happened in the last year. So some of the same issues might still be lurking around.

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    I read the Forester is small for you but I have slowly fallen in love with my 2010 Forester. It's the Premium edition with a sunroof and winter package. Awesome in the winter weather and surprisingly roomy.

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    Have you given the 2010 Acura TL SH-AWD a look? I can get 3 pairs of skis thru the passthru and plenty of other luggage in the trunk. They are giving some awesome deals right now...

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    Any reason you didn't test drive an Outback?

    Aha, I love ignoring your question and asking something you didn't want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meff View Post
    Just a headsup, there is still a lot of Ford left in the Volvo's since the sale just happened in the last year. So some of the same issues might still be lurking around.
    The only real issues I've had with my Ford is with their hybrid system and the fact that they won't warranty a hybrid component under the hybrid unique warranty. That and the drivers seat on one side is starting to collapse inwards a bit making it very uncomfortable on long drives.

    Quote Originally Posted by andrec10 View Post
    Have you given the 2010 Acura TL SH-AWD a look? I can get 3 pairs of skis thru the passthru and plenty of other luggage in the trunk. They are giving some awesome deals right now...
    I thought about an AWD sedan, but I often have needs where I use the extra cargo space that suvs provide.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    Any reason you didn't test drive an Outback?

    Aha, I love ignoring your question and asking something you didn't want.
    I wanted to, but there's currently a long lead time on delivery. Almost all the 2010's are spoken for so I'd have to order a 2011 from the factory. I really didn't want to wait a few more months.

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    I don't follow buying a nice car and then chewing it to bits driving 300 to 800 miles per week for work. A 30+ MPG econobox with aftermarket seats and audio makes more sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RootDKJ View Post
    I wanted to, but there's currently a long lead time on delivery. Almost all the 2010's are spoken for so I'd have to order a 2011 from the factory. I really didn't want to wait a few more months.
    No kidding. Didn't know they were selling that well. Subie giving some big incentives or something?
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