TSA scans and searches

Geoff · Nov 24, 2010

riverc0il said:
Hold a sec... do I understand correctly that not everyone is scanned? Only folks that are either randomly selected (well, that seems pointless) or those that set off the detector? I think the random thing sucks and is dumb, that is not going to deter any one and only suggests the possibility of profiling. But if only those folks that set off the first alarm are going on to the next scan or pat down, I say NO PROBLEM. I am 100% OK with these scans if they are primarily being used as an additional precaution when an initial detector is set off.

You understand correctly. Most people just pass through the metal detector. In the Supreme Court rulings about road blocks, everybody had to be treated identically. Selecting people at random for additional searches is unconstitutional. I think that if this gets challenged, it will be "everybody or nobody".

Dr Skimeister · Nov 24, 2010

My understanding is that with the new "pat down" regulations, the TSA is on track to handle more packages than UPS and FedEx this holiday season.

dmc · Nov 24, 2010

Dr Skimeister said:
My understanding is that with the new "pat down" regulations, the TSA is on track to handle more packages than UPS and FedEx this holiday season.

bada boom.... chiiiiiiing

dmc · Nov 24, 2010

ctenidae said:
I had a brilliant million dollar idea last night, unfortunately about a month too late to make money- underwear with witty sayings printed in metallic ink that will show up on the scans. I'm thinking from the simple "Eat Me" to the obligatory Benjamin Franklin quote, there's a huge range of possibilities. Even two-parters for people travelling in pairs, with the opening of a joke on one pair of undies, and the punchline on the next.

Would have made millions, I tell you.

I've seen underwear with fig leaves in metallic paint to cover the junk for sale on the net..

Thats a bit further then I'd go with my "protest"... I don't actually want to get stripped or sent to jail..

bigbog · Nov 24, 2010

dmc said:
Actually she is a journalist.
http://wewontfly.com/tsa-videos-meg-mclain

...Ok..:-D, but my indoctrination to journalists was in working for a media organization, "church" actually....some excellent journalists = their foreign correspondents, but some hardly deserved a job...and while they have one the incompetent ones often think of themselves as god's gift to society, hence the title doesn't exactly cut it...all the time..for people who've, at times, tried to work with them. I think one could see something like this coming on as soon as the Bush administration bent over to the ACLU over the topic of "profiling". Once you rule out common sense by use of our eyesight and brainpower = the topic got turned into a legal circus imho..

dmc · Nov 24, 2010

bigbog said:
...Ok..:-D, fwiw...I think one could see something like this coming on as soon as the Bush administration bent over to the ACLU over the topic of "profiling". Once you rule out common sense by use of our eyesight and brainpower = the topic got turned into a circus imho.

Problem is - at least to me - is we're looking for bombs and not bad guys..

Bulges and not behavior.. I think it's OK to profile people based upon behavior and background checks..

bigbog · Nov 24, 2010

dmc said:
... I think it's OK to profile people based upon behavior and background checks..

Yep...totally agree with ya'.

wa-loaf · Nov 24, 2010

Working in the taint mines

HD333 · Nov 24, 2010

A friend emailed me the solution:

Here's the solution to all the controversy over full-body scanners at the Airports:

Install a booth that passengers can step into that will not x-ray you, but will detonate any explosive device you may have on your body. It would be a win-win for everyone, and there would be none of this crap about racial profiling and this method would eliminate a long and expensive trial.

Justice would be quick and swift.

This is so simple that it's brilliant. I can see it now. You're in the Airport terminal and you hear a muffled explosion.

Shortly thereafter an announcement comes over the PA system, "Attention standby passengers. We now have a seat available on flight number 4665 .... Paging maintenance. Shop Vac needed in booth number 4."

o3jeff · Nov 25, 2010

From watching the news last night it appears the "Opt Out" campaign wasn't much of an issue.

gmcunni · Nov 25, 2010

o3jeff said:
From watching the news last night it appears the "Opt Out" campaign wasn't much of an issue.

watching the news - saw a guy strip down to his speedo to go through the line and you could hear everybody telling the guy to put his cloths back on... in another segment some woman wore a bikini and nobody seemed to mind.

dmc · Nov 25, 2010

o3jeff said:
From watching the news last night it appears the "Opt Out" campaign wasn't much of an issue.

I'm hearing they dialed down the scanners.. Not as many people selected so not as many to opt out. Which is great..

ERJ-145CA · Nov 25, 2010

riverc0il said:
Hold a sec... do I understand correctly that not everyone is scanned? Only folks that are either randomly selected (well, that seems pointless) or those that set off the detector? I think the random thing sucks and is dumb, that is not going to deter any one and only suggests the possibility of profiling. But if only those folks that set off the first alarm are going on to the next scan or pat down, I say NO PROBLEM. I am 100% OK with these scans if they are primarily being used as an additional precaution when an initial detector is set off.

That might be the case now but the TSA's intent is to eventually make the scanners the primary method of screening.

Geoff · Nov 26, 2010

billski · Nov 26, 2010

powpig2002 · Nov 26, 2010

Geoff said:

that's just what the terrorists wanted to happen

ERJ-145CA · Nov 28, 2010

A new PSA from the TSA:

legalskier · Dec 1, 2010

Mark Ruffalo, 'terrorist'

Mark Ruffalo on terrorist watchlist
Mark Ruffalo, the Hollywood actor, has been added to a US terror advisory list after he promoted a documentary about the effects of natural gas drilling.
The 43-year-old year old actor was placed on the watch list by Pennsylvania's Office of Homeland Security after he arranged screenings for the "Gasland" documentary. The film won the special jury prize at this year's Sundance Film festival and chronicles how communities have been affected by a boom in natural gas drilling. In Pennsylvania the film, written and directed by Josh Fox, shows a resident who is able to set fire to his tap water.***

That's some good police work there, Lou.
:lol:

RootDKJ · Dec 2, 2010

There's an opportunity everywhere... :lol:
http://cargocollective.com/4thamendment

SkiDork · Dec 3, 2010

here's another strategy:

http://cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2010/11/25/vo.bikini.tsa.check.wabc

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