the CLITs are so lucky

[Puck it]

Seeded bumps are a great thing to have at your local hill to practice for the real thing. I personally don't like them but that has more to do with the fact that i dislike hard snow. I freaking love big soft natural bumps like at Taos, telluride, mj ect.....

Back on tract.

 

[Nick]

Prior to coming to AZ I never even considered seeded vs. non seeded. Does it basically boil down to getting into an easier rythym?

I'm guessing all olympic / competition courses are normally seeded?

 

[mondeo]

Prior to coming to AZ I never even considered seeded vs. non seeded. Does it basically boil down to getting into an easier rythym?

I'm guessing all olympic / competition courses are normally seeded?

Yeah, seeded it's easier to find a line and the spacing is fairly uniform, natural changes pace, size, lines die, etc.

Competition courses are seeded to level the playing field. Also, with duals, you want two courses that are identical as possible.

 

[Nick]

I always wondered that with the duals. At the end of the day two tracks can never be identical, right? Won't one always be at least somewhat better, even if marginally?

 

[Puck it]

Yeah, seeded it's easier to find a line and the spacing is fairly uniform, natural changes pace, size, lines die, etc.

Competition courses are seeded to level the playing field. Also, with duals, you want two courses that are identical as possible.

There is an analogy here, but I would be banned for stating it!

 

[snoseek]

I'm just gonna come right out and say i'm not very good at seeded bumps. I think its because they are usually hard but not really sure. Throw me on the Pali chair at a basin-no problem but the seeded moguls at loon i kind of suck.....

 

[Nick]

I dunno. I always have the same thing with mogules. I feel really good for a bit, then they start to get away from me, I end up leaning back, and before you know it I'm flying across the tops of them at perpendicular to the slope.

Definitely one of my goals this season to improve my moguls.

 

[mondeo]

I always wondered that with the duals. At the end of the day two tracks can never be identical, right? Won't one always be at least somewhat better, even if marginally?

Yep, get skied in differently, morph into two differnent lines. But the spacing doesn't change, and slipping can help keep them pretty similar. Usually they're kept close enough that it's still pretty fair.

 

[deadheadskier]

I'm just gonna come right out and say i'm not very good at seeded bumps. I think its because they are usually hard but not really sure. Throw me on the Pali chair at a basin-no problem but the seeded moguls at loon i kind of suck.....

Definitely a snow surface thing

If you can ski Pali chair bumps well, then you can ski seeded bumps well if the surface is soft.

Skiing rock hard moguls whether they are natural or man made is very difficult. You have to adjust your technique to control speed and the lack of forgiveness in the snow makes it easier to get bucked out of the line.

A good bump skier is a good bump skier. I have never met someone who can ski seeded bumps well who can't ski natural bumps well.

 

[Glenn]

I tend to prefer seeded...basically because it's easier to get a decent rhythm; mostly because the bumps are usually evenly spaced. Natural bumps can be a bit more challenging. I sometimes feel like I get going good...then it all falls apart after a few oddly space bumps...or the bumps suddenly vanish because the terrain flattens out.

I've said it before...I blame this damn forum for getting me into bump skiing. :lol:

 

[bvibert]

I've said it before...I blame this damn forum for getting me into bump skiing. :lol:

You're welcome! :beer:

 

[jack97]

I'm just gonna come right out and say i'm not very good at seeded bumps. I think its because they are usually hard but not really sure. Throw me on the Pali chair at a basin-no problem but the seeded moguls at loon i kind of suck.....

I dunno. I always have the same thing with mogules. I feel really good for a bit, then they start to get away from me, I end up leaning back, and before you know it I'm flying across the tops of them at perpendicular to the slope.

Definitely one of my goals this season to improve my moguls.

Not calling anyone out.... but here's the point, nowadays (in general) seeded bumps have tight formation and if places leave them alone, the troughs will get deep, real deep. It forces you to ski whats ahead of you. IMO, the "natural" bumps in most areas don't get skied in enough, the bump formation is rather loose so its gets real easy to shop for turns. In a way, it allows you to ski around the moguls instead of skiing in the moguls.

And yeah.... that comment about symmetrical formation in seeded bumps. As mondeo said most freestyle teams will slip them, furthermore coaches will use a pick and shovel to manicure them to their satisfaction. I've seen that plenty of times and its why some are closed off to the public, to much time was spent making that course. Places that seed bumps for general use will let the crowds ski in the field.... sometime for the worse or for the best. Even in a seeded trail, I have seen lines disappear in a matter of weeks.

 

[gmcunni]

screw the whole seeded vs. natural bump argument. what i don't like is the 1/4 inch track certain groomers leave between the rows of corduroy. i much prefer the 5/16th inch tracks. it really makes a difference in how i set an edge. if i know i'm skiing at a 1/4 inch track mountain i have to retune my skis with a 2.59 degree bevel

 

[jack97]

... i much prefer the 5/16th inch tracks. it really makes a difference in how i set an edge....

I think 5/16th are for gapers... imo

 

[ctenidae]

if i know i'm skiing at a 1/4 inch track mountain i have to retune my skis with a 2.59 degree bevel

Poser. Everybody knows for 1/4 inch 2.57 degrees is best. With 2.59, you might as well be wearing blue jeans and a Starter jacket, skiing on 3/16.

n00b.

 

[Nick]

Poser. Everybody knows for 1/4 inch 2.57 degrees is best. With 2.59, you might as well be wearing blue jeans and a Starter jacket, skiing on 3/16.

n00b.

:lol:

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[JimG.]

screw the whole seeded vs. natural bump argument. what i don't like is the 1/4 inch track certain groomers leave between the rows of corduroy. i much prefer the 5/16th inch tracks. it really makes a difference in how i set an edge. if i know i'm skiing at a 1/4 inch track mountain i have to retune my skis with a 2.59 degree bevel

Too funny!