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    Ehhh..... does that include IKON & EPIC? ...

    Ehhh..... does that include IKON & EPIC? Because if it does, perhaps the "real" number is in the low 20s.

    At least in so much as what people typically think of as a skiing season pass. If it...
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    I dont like the name because it doesnt have to do...

    I dont like the name because it doesnt have to do with Magic.

    #SomebodyHadToSayIt
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    Actually it's now much easier to do that calculus...

    Actually it's now much easier to do that calculus for the very reason you note, the majority are on season passes.



    Early season makes no difference, but Stowe would have likely gone longer...
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    So what are your top 4 or 5 in Europe that you've...

    So what are your top 4 or 5 in Europe that you've been to?
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    If you were a real man, you'd challenge him to...

    If you were a real man, you'd challenge him to ski the K12 instead.
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    There was no audit; so yes, State of Vermont...

    There was no audit; so yes, State of Vermont aided & abetted this financial crime.

    I refuse to believe the current explanation, which is essentially that State of Vermont is a bunch of...
  7. The reason I mentioned Cottonwood Heights / Sandy...

    The reason I mentioned Cottonwood Heights / Sandy is that it's right outside the mouth's of the canyons that take you to Solitude/Brighton & Snowbird/Alta, as well as the fact that there's everything...
  8. Yes, that was definitely going to be my comment. ...

    Yes, that was definitely going to be my comment.

    Curious how much per night for non-peak & what's non-peak in your example?
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    The problem is Vermont is a state virtually...

    The problem is Vermont is a state virtually unilaterally run by Democrats, and whichever "new" Democrats come into power are going to obfuscate & protect the Democrats both currently in & out of...
  10. Then AirBNB in Cottonwood Heights or hotel in...

    Then AirBNB in Cottonwood Heights or hotel in Park City, UT & hit a bunch of different ski areas, or a hotel in Silverthorne/Dillon, CO and hit a bunch of different ski areas.
  11. That's a lot of boxes to check, the "no car"...

    That's a lot of boxes to check, the "no car" thing really knocks a lot of places (most really) out.

    Up until "affordability" became an issue I would have suggested Park City & Deer Valley, but...
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    Does anyone know if Mount Snow makes money that...

    Does anyone know if Mount Snow makes money that final week they're open in April?

    Because Vail doesn't care about anyone's "feelings", and isnt going to lose significant money if it's a big...
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    If you add up all of Park City / Canyons, I have...

    If you add up all of Park City / Canyons, I have to imagine it's bigger than all of Vail / BSB.

    But even if I'm wrong about that, I'm confident the statement that "the size of Park City is a...
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    That's really a misconception. While yes,...

    That's really a misconception. While yes, Utah's alcohol laws are annoying & idiotic, you will still be able to drink on your vacation, pretty much everywhere.

    And if this really impacts your...
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    I've skied both & they definitely are. ...

    I've skied both & they definitely are.

    Everyone forgets Sundance though, and I'd suggest that's also worth a day, especially if you've never skied it before.
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    You can definitely do a ski week (say 9 days...

    You can definitely do a ski week (say 9 days bookend'ed) with a family of 5 out west (Utah, Colorado), with say 6 days of skiing, for less than $10k practicing basic S.O.T.C. techniques.

    Though...
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    One thing that never seems to get mentioned in this discussion when CEOs etc... are "defending" IKON & EPIC in terms of it supposedly not causing crowding, is the fact that both products are still...
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    Yeah, actually I think I do. I've been involved...

    Yeah, actually I think I do. I've been involved with offloading an AP department to India, and it saves a ****ton of money. And if your "contractors" are having to even so much as have a single...
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    Agreed. I'm completely agnostic here, but I was...

    Agreed. I'm completely agnostic here, but I was interested in the topic, and if ~9k is cutting some corners & assuming you must ski on EPIC, the sub $10k thing seems pretty doomed. I mean, I could...
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    Correct, I meant profit, not revenue. I dont...

    Correct, I meant profit, not revenue. I dont recall if revenue is public knowledge, but on < $10M in profits, lets say it's $30M - $40M in top-line revenue, there's no way you can get anywhere near...
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    So here's the list of Jay Peak tire-kickers from...

    So here's the list of Jay Peak tire-kickers from VTDigger:

    Alterra
    A Communist Chinese oligarch
    Pacific Group
    Och-Ziff
    AWH Partners


    I still think Alterra is the most logical choice for a...
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    Any way you slice it, a $124M valuation for Jay...

    Any way you slice it, a $124M valuation for Jay Peak, wherever that came from, was absolutely bat**** crazy versus what we know about their annual revenue of somewhere between $2M & $9M.
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    Do you know this as a fact? Frankly, I'd be...

    Do you know this as a fact?

    Frankly, I'd be pretty surprised if Vail handles their own payroll as they are ruthlessly efficient with the bottom-line, and it's far cheaper to outsource that to...
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    Ski jobs yes, but I agree that the sales and...

    Ski jobs yes, but I agree that the sales and marketing folks are mostly toast. Same with accounts payable, accounts receivable, finance, accounting, human resources, etc... Roles like that. Not...
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    Same. I have no intention of buying an IKON or...

    Same. I have no intention of buying an IKON or EPIC pass, and never will until/unless I become a local somewhere. That doesnt mean I don't keep up with ski industry & its' happenings. Not to...
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