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    Jay used to host a Fall Arts and Crafts Festival every year on Columbus Day weekend. It stopped due to construction on the hotel. Now that construction is almost complete are there any plans to bring it back?



    Recently a lot of tress were taken down at the entrance to the resort. What is the purpose of this? It does not seem to fit in with any of the ongoing construction projects.

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    I've heard several times that Jay Peak fluffs their snow numbers by measuring with a short stick and/or sending inebriated folks to account for measurements.

    Is there any truth to this? Also, another question: If it snows 7 meters in a remote corner of the northeast, does anyone give a shit?

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blizzard of Wahhs View Post
    I've heard several times that Jay Peak fluffs their snow numbers by measuring with a short stick and/or sending inebriated folks to account for measurements.

    Is there any truth to this? Also, another question: If it snows 7 meters in a remote corner of the northeast, does anyone give a shit?

    Thanks.


    Yes do not go their they get less snow then Mountain Creek in NJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scotty View Post
    Yes do not go their they get less snow then Mountain Creek in NJ.
    I like your avatar bc it captures the expression each one of your posts puts on my face. Now let the grownups speak. And yes, I get your joke about Florida snow. Because it doesn't snow there! haahahah!!

    Seriously though I think Steve Wright should speak to fluffing in Jay Peak's mtn stats, because I simply don't believe the 376" figure. Now, some sort of NWS reference or at least endorsement (un-compensated of course) should accompany such an outlier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blizzard of Wahhs View Post
    I like your avatar bc it captures the expression each one of your posts puts on my face. Now let the grownups speak. And yes, I get your joke about Florida snow. Because it doesn't snow there! haahahah!!

    Seriously though I think Steve Wright should speak to fluffing in Jay Peak's mtn stats, because I simply don't believe the 376" figure. Now, some sort of NWS reference or at least endorsement (un-compensated of course) should accompany such an outlier.
    You will not get any endorsement of the sort because snow is extremely difficult to measure to begin with. By design, certified weather stations are in open areas, subject to winds. Not so bad for rainfall that has relatively high inertia and terminal velocity, but snow and wind results in an underestimation by gauges. Gamma sensors and snow pillows (measure snow height and mass respectively) suffer from biases. Stick them in an open area (near the station so you can use power and data loggers) and snow is blown away, put them in the woods and you get extra accumulation. IOW, automatic snow measurement is very difficult, even more so in mountainous areas.

    Having said that, I take any snow measurements by ski resorts with a healthy doe of skepticism. At Jay the amount of snow can vary tremendously between the base and top of the mountain, on the trails vs the woods. Yes, It's like that everywhere but even more so at Jay. I'm a long time Jay skier (and 3 years home owner on the mountain), and I would say that from my observations, smaller amounts (<10 cm) tend to be overestimated by the Jay ski report, whereas higher amounts tend to be pretty accurate. High resolution mapping of annual snowfall (interpolation from stations using elevation and slope aspect - google 'prism climate' for example) show a precipitation anomaly in northern Vermont, and, to me, that's the important point. This area gets, on average, the most snow. Relative amounts are more important than absolute values. I want to be where there is the most snow.

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    Hey Steve,

    If Burke is to copy what Jay has done in order to get more activities during the winter months, is Jay Peak looking at doing the same in order to bring more visitors in the area during the summer?

    Between Kingdom Trails bringing 5M$ from mountain biking in the small village of East Burke, Stowe that has a great network of trails and building the "Vermont Ride Center" based on the IMBA model and it's neighbours to the north (Owl's Head is holding the provincial DH championships in a few weeks, Sutton is moving slowly and Bromont is already a hot spot!), i think Jay Peak would fit in nicely with trails for all level all located below the higher elevation...

    Thanks for the info!

    PS: I need to throw in a winter question... damn... Euh... Will we get lots of snow this year?

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    Steve, you've been in the industry for quite some time having worked for both Jay Peak and Killington before that. Just speaking for yourself, and not JPR, what trends do you see happening in the Northeast Ski Industry? Things that you like? Trends that you think are disturbing? And thanks to you and JPR for being involved in the leadership of the Vermont Ski Industry (through Ski Vermont and other trade groups).
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    Quote Originally Posted by fbrissette View Post
    I'm a long time Jay skier (and 3 years home owner on the mountain), and I would say that from my observations, smaller amounts (<10 cm) tend to be overestimated by the Jay ski report, whereas higher amounts tend to be pretty accurate.
    Agree with you 100%, and it's dumb. You know why? Because it's not 1992 anymore.

    I dont know who resorts think they're fooling, but between Facebook, Blogs, Twitter, Web Forums (like this one) etc...., the connectivity of people on this planet is amazing. As a recent example, I know what's going on with the middle east riots from Twitter long before I see it on CNN for heaven's sake. More often than not, I have an idea of the snow total on the mountain from independent reports by people posting that are either staying on site or are XYZ locals living in Jeffersonville or Lake Placid or Stowe etc.... IMO, all lying on the snow report does (especially in the internet age) is pizz customers off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenedictGomez View Post
    Agree with you 100%, and it's dumb. You know why? Because it's not 1992 anymore.

    I dont know who resorts think they're fooling, but between Facebook, Blogs, Twitter, Web Forums (like this one) etc...., the connectivity of people on this planet is amazing. As a recent example, I know what's going on with the middle east riots from Twitter long before I see it on CNN for heaven's sake. More often than not, I have an idea of the snow total on the mountain from independent reports by people posting that are either staying on site or are XYZ locals living in Jeffersonville or Lake Placid or Stowe etc.... IMO, all lying on the snow report does (especially in the internet age) is pizz customers off.
    This issue ended 2005-2008 (thanks to aforementioned internet). However, folks still like to bitch about it. Now, they are bitching about 4" on Wednesday that seems different on Thursday, and need someone to blame for what passage of time does to snow.

    Fibbing about current conditions as "passing showers" when it's "buckets" still does happen at certain places, but is a different issue.

  10. #20
    I'm wondering if Jay peak has any plans to post a web cam somewhere on the mountain. Seems like everything else they do is on the front edge of technology. I would love to know real time , or close to it, when the snow is starting to fly or if the droplets have turned to flakes.

    On the boasting of snowfall, i'd honestly say the reports are pretty accurate. I spend most weekends at the resort and have read many times the early snow report and then walked out my front door and be surprised at what i think is a better snowfall than i just read online. Go up mountain and I sometimes find Timbuktu has way more snow than they reported online. They have no reason or needs to sully their reputation of the best snow in the east. they do sometimes get a little aggressive but i think it's all within the standard deviation.

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