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  1. #81
    The truth is that NH is too late to the game for casinos to be anything substantial. New Hampshire casinos will be like those sad little casinos you see at some resorts in the tropics.


  2. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by AdironRider View Post
    I'm with deadhead on this one, casinos are pretty much a last ditch effort, and even then, I suspect they will only be allowed in a few select areas, usually shitty ones. I would see Berlin or Seabrook down south getting a Casino before anything comes close to the notch.
    Or the run down Rockingham Park in Salem, NH. There has been talk about that for years and it is next to one of the largest Malls in NH


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    How's this place just outside Lancaster?

    http://www.mountainviewgrand.com/directions.htm

    Not to far from Balsams & other northern NH. ski areas.

    Stayed in Lancaster a few times but never at this place.

    This is where we stayed.

    http://www.cabotinnandsuites.com/

  4. #84
    Mountain View Grand is a great property. Very much like the Mount Washington Hotel, only smaller. Very much like the Balsam's too.

    I think it's presence and that of the Mount Washington Hotel is what makes the prospect of the Balsams being successful again somewhat doubtful. Both the Mountain View and Mount Washington offer that same classic old school hotel in the mountains experience with great dining, spa, golf, etc. and both are MUCH closer to Boston than the Balsams. 2.5 hours vs 4

    I've only been to all three on business. I can't comment on the resort experience they all offer as a guest, but all three seem fairly similar. Every time I try and come up with a reason why someone would drive an hour and half further to stay at the Balsams as opposed to the Mount Washington or the Grand View, I draw a blank. I don't believe it's possible for the Balsams to recruit the necessary talent to execute an even higher end experience than those two competitors that would make it worth people's while to drive that extra difference.

    I think that's why so many people suggest gambling. That might be the one thing that could differentiate the place from it's competitors which are closer to Boston.

  5. #85
    Omni taking over the Mount Washington does not help The Balsams. The Mount Washington hotel was a great place prior to Omni taking over, and Omni has refined the product even more.

    As for the Mountain View Grand, I've always wondered how they stay in business. It's a great hotel, for sure, but the Mt. Washington is a better hotel. The Mt. Washington is closer to North Conway, has skiing across the street, is essentially within a National Forest, and has arguably the best view of any resort in New England. The Mountain View Grand is in a less appealing area, doesn't feel as "grand", and does not have the same views. They charge less than the Mount Washington, but it's still a premium product.

    The Balsams has a lake/pond - which is something the other two lack.

    Is there room for three grand hotels like there used to be? The market has already answered that question. The Balsams is going to have to figure out a new angle. It's that simple.

  6. #86
    We stayed at the Mt View Grand a few summers ago for a wedding...2 nights. Played some golf there and used their pool, hot tub, sauna. It's nice but honestly does not have the "wow factor" of the Mt Washington Hotel. I'd actually put it a notch below the Wentworth By The Sea which is a grand historic hotel here in my neck of the woods.

    Always have been intrigued by the Balsams...do agree they need to differentiate themselves a bit though unsure how many people are going to drive Route 16 or 93 then back roads from major population centers when they can go to CT all highway or even MA at some point.

    As far as NH Casinos in general go, I always thought Seabrook would make the most sense. Take over the former dog track, you are right off the highway with seemingly plenty of land to build on for hotels/expansion and drawing folks from MA/NH/ME.
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    That's funny. I've always wondered why the Wentworth was so popular. I've enjoyed dining there quite a bit, but staying there has never felt special. It's surrounded by roads and it isn't truly on the water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deadheadskier View Post
    Mountain View Grand is a great property. Very much like the Mount Washington Hotel, only smaller. Very much like the Balsam's too.

    I think it's presence and that of the Mount Washington Hotel is what makes the prospect of the Balsams being successful again somewhat doubtful. Both the Mountain View and Mount Washington offer that same classic old school hotel in the mountains experience with great dining, spa, golf, etc. and both are MUCH closer to Boston than the Balsams. 2.5 hours vs 4

    I've only been to all three on business. I can't comment on the resort experience they all offer as a guest, but all three seem fairly similar. Every time I try and come up with a reason why someone would drive an hour and half further to stay at the Balsams as opposed to the Mount Washington or the Grand View, I draw a blank. I don't believe it's possible for the Balsams to recruit the necessary talent to execute an even higher end experience than those two competitors that would make it worth people's while to drive that extra difference.

    I think that's why so many people suggest gambling. That might be the one thing that could differentiate the place from it's competitors which are closer to Boston.
    This might have been brought up before, but to what extent do would one speculate that these guys would go after the Quebec market? Some quick digging on google maps and wikipedia yield the following:

    Montreal: 2h 40 away; 3.8MM metro area population as of 2011
    Quebec City: 3h 45 away; 766k metro area population as of 2011
    Sherbrooke: 1h 30 away; 202k metro area population as of 2011
    Trois Rivieres: 3h 2 away; 152k metro area population as of 2011

    Going after the MTL market would imply going up against Jay Peak, Tremblant and the Eastern Townships (all closer), for what it's worth.
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  9. #89
    The marina suites at the Wentworth are on the water.

    The popularity of the hotel is due to lack of comparable competition nearby. There's nothing remotely as nice in the area. It's an easy drive from Boston, so it makes for a quick easy getaway from there for a night or weekend.

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    and FWIW, the owners of the Wentworth briefly entertained buying the Balsams when it initially went up for sale, but deemed it not economically viable.

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