More snow for the east coast yes for years to come.

Bumpsis · Apr 8, 2014

BenedictGomez said:
Even more ridiculous to look at 34 years (literally) of Arctic ice data and then scream about, "RECORD LOW ICE" to drive an agenda.

Currently, solar is only slightly less crappy than wind. All those "solar farms" you see going up in liberal states are there not due to efficiency, but because they greased the Democrat politicians campaign coffers. In turn, these "solar scammers" are getting sweatheart deals on land, MASSIVE tax breaks, and sometimes even grants! All being piled directly onto the debt of a town and state near you.

This post puts on display a staggering depth of your ignorance about goverment's subsidies when it comes to energy. You are clearly more interested in political posturing and bluster than facts. Kind of typical of conservative "thinking".

Even a cursory look at facts would quickly show that fossil fuels get subsidized to a much greater extent than renewables.
And yes, government has always subsidized new forms of energy and their development, from hydro power that made the America's expansion to the west possible, through electrification of rural areas and investment in atomic power. So, it's hard to understand what it is that you're frothing about.

It would do you some good to pull you head out the right wing's pile of crap that you're in right now and cast more objective view on facts and horizonts that are a bit less myopic.

moresnow · Apr 8, 2014

MidnightJester said:
The renewables are hanging by a thread here in the US and the Government is giving them billions. Fossil fuels can work if needed with zero govnt extras.

Too bad they are getting billions as well.

dlague · Apr 8, 2014

BenedictGomez said:
Currently, solar is only slightly less crappy than wind. All those "solar farms" you see going up in liberal states are there not due to efficiency, but because they greased the Democrat politicians campaign coffers. In turn, these "solar scammers" are getting sweatheart deals on land, MASSIVE tax breaks, and sometimes even grants! All being piled directly onto the debt of a town and state near you.

Lets not forget the off-setting carbon credits and the whole carbon market. I work in the utility business and many fossil fuel based utilities help fund or trade solar and wind to get off-sets to avoid paying too many penalties. The carbon credits are more valuable then the energy they produce!

The story of this thread will be heatedly debated for sure!

Savemeasammy · Apr 8, 2014

This is getting good. I need some more popcorn.
:popcorn:

Is a ski-off forthcoming?

Puck it · Apr 8, 2014

moresnow said:
Too bad they are getting billions as well.

Those billions are in the form of incentives and tax credits just like the renewables have, so that agrument does not hold water either. The incentives are for them to explore in previous unproven areas for fuel and next technology.

Another note: When the deep water drilling was halted in the Gulf from BP spill. A lot of the platforms were moved to other locations in the world to drill. I am not sure if they have returned to the previous levels yet. Some more research needed.

To answer my own question:

. Expect an increased Gulf rig count Baker Hughes reports 56 Gulf rigs as of Nov. 8, up from 41 at the start of 2012. In the deepwater, watch for an increased proliferation of drillships and increased day rates for leasing them.

fbrissette · Apr 8, 2014

midnightjester said:
you cant power the world with wind.

puck it said:
dc does!!!!!!

ftw !

Puck it · Apr 8, 2014

fbrissette said:
ftw !

That would be Ottawa for you!

steamboat1 · Apr 8, 2014

Bumpsis said:
This post puts on display a staggering depth of your ignorance about goverment's subsidies when it comes to energy. You are clearly more interested in political posturing and bluster than facts. Kind of typical of conservative "thinking".

Even a cursory look at facts would quickly show that fossil fuels get subsidized to a much greater extent than renewables.
And yes, government has always subsidized new forms of energy and their development, from hydro power that made the America's expansion to the west possible, through electrification of rural areas and investment in atomic power. So, it's hard to understand what it is that you're frothing about.

It would do you some good to pull you head out the right wing's pile of crap that you're in right now and cast more objective view on facts and horizonts that are a bit less myopic.

Quite the opposite in Australia where it's the liberal party fighting against the use of renewable energy

Scruffy · Apr 8, 2014

Scruffy said:
Melting of the arctic unleashes the polar vortex. Polar vortex coming to a neighborhood near you.

BenedictGomez said:
Whenever and wherever there's record-breaking cold, even in winter, that's also because of man-made Global Warming.

I wish I could walk into a casino and play a game in which there's never a potential scenario under which I could lose!

Aww Bene, I know all this AGW stuff is your boogie man and all, but just where did I say the Arctic ice melt was caused by AGW? This years polar vortex movement and the link to recent ice melt in the arctic are being studied by scientists as cause and effect. Any conclusions that AGW is to blame is premature at this juncture.

Puck it · Apr 8, 2014

Scruffy said:
Aww Bene, I know all this AGW stuff is your boogie man and all, but just where did I say the Arctic ice melt was caused by AGW? This years polar vortex movement and the link to recent ice melt in the arctic are being studied by scientists as cause and effect. Any conclusions that AGW is to blame is premature at this juncture.

This is another sensationalized thing. Polar Vortex. WTF. This is not the first time that this happened. Just another buzz word to throw out and get people in a hyped state.

Hell, I am going to make a new.

Gelid Tourbillion

Scruffy · Apr 8, 2014

Puck it said:
This is another sensationalized thing. Polar Vortex. WTF. This is not the first time that this happened. Just another buzz word to throw out and get people in a hyped state.

Hell, I am going to make a new.

Gelid Tourbillion

Nope, not new. Just new to the masses; it's a meteorological term used to describe the large cold air mass circling the poles and usually kept in place by the ice at the poles.

BenedictGomez · Apr 8, 2014

Bumpsis said:
This post puts on display a staggering depth of your ignorance about goverment's subsidies when it comes to energy. You are clearly more interested in political posturing and bluster than facts. Kind of typical of conservative "thinking".

Even a cursory look at facts would quickly show that fossil fuels get subsidized to a much greater extent than renewables.
And yes, government has always subsidized new forms of energy and their development, from hydro power that made the America's expansion to the west possible, through electrification of rural areas and investment in atomic power. So, it's hard to understand what it is that you're frothing about.

It would do you some good to pull you head out the right wing's pile of crap that you're in right now and cast more objective view on facts and horizonts that are a bit less myopic.

While I'm not going to address your generalized poo-flinging, I will point out that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about in relation to who gets the most "subsidies" in the budget.

The fossil fuel companies only get literally a few billion (which they dont need frankly), whereas the inefficient and unsuccessful renewables complex gets MANY TIMES that sum...... about TWENTY BILLION dollars, without which, it couldnt survive.

dlague said:
Lets not forget the off-setting carbon credits and the whole carbon market. I work in the utility business and many fossil fuel based utilities help fund or trade solar and wind to get off-sets to avoid paying too many penalties. The carbon credits are more valuable then the energy they produce!

It's beyond frustrating.

All the while the politicians and their cronies + distant families are getting rich and their campaign coffers chock-full of political payoffs.

Puck it · Apr 8, 2014

Scruffy said:
Nope, not new. Just new to the masses; it's a meteorological term used to describe the large cold air mass circling the poles and usually kept in place by the ice at the poles.

I know now that was my point. Duh.

Cannonball · Apr 8, 2014

Can we just get on with the YouTube "data" so we don't have to wait 10 more pages for it?

ScottySkis · Apr 8, 2014

So can we nit get this thread locked please. This is about more snow. Maybe because of man or not. This is not a politcal fourm well expext for the legalize it thread that is lol. Sniw fall more should make A zoners happy that is why i started the thred.

BenedictGomez · Apr 8, 2014

ScottySkis said:
So can we nit get this thread locked please. This is about more snow. Maybe because of man or not. This is not a politcal fourm well expext for the legalize it thread that is lol. Sniw fall more should make A zoners happy that is why i started the thred.

Are you going to tell me that you really didnt think that "more snow" would be perceived by the Church of Global Warming as a threatening statement?

As for "more snow", possible snowstorm next week. Still too far out to take totally serious, but it's on both of the good models, but the margin for hit or miss, rain/sleet or snow will be RAZOR thin.

jack97 · Apr 8, 2014

BenedictGomez said:
As for "more snow", possible snowstorm next week. Still too far out to take totally serious, but it's on both of the good models, but the margin for hit or miss, rain/sleet or snow will be RAZOR thin.

I agree that one year of this change in the polar vortex/jet stream is too early to tell. I would love it if we have more seasons like the one we had, skiing would be great. The only down turn would be heating cost would last a bit longer.

And yeah getting a good laugh at the expense arrogant eco activist would offset that heating cost.

Smellytele · Apr 8, 2014

Just sick of both sides using the "facts" to prove their points.
Do we need to find more energy sources? yes
Do they all have negatives? Yes
Is there one that solves all of our energy problems forever? No
Are we all scientist that know everything? of course we are

Puck it · Apr 8, 2014

Smellytele said:
Are we all scientist that know everything? of course we are

I am am one and I did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express.

Wyatte74 · Apr 8, 2014

Smellytele said:
Just sick of both sides using the "facts" to prove their points.
Do we need to find more energy sources? yes
Do they all have negatives? Yes
Is there one that solves all of our energy problems forever? No
Are we all scientist that know everything? of course we are

A-Fuck!ng-Men!

More snow for the east coast yes for years to come.

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