What the heck is going on at Magic?

And all of this is meaningless if they don't get a chairlift inspected.

Ok, just a fortuitous patch of low-cut grass. I was curious as that pic didn't seem to exactly line up with what was said here.

Good to know about the Ratniks. That probably was the easiest upgrade possible if their Ratniks were pre-2008-ish.

Question re: Red ..... why does the counterweight have to be adjusted every year? Isn't that a sign of something significantly wrong with the lift? It was my understanding that cables don't stretch out much past their second year of use ... be it the haul rope or the counterweight rope.

If either the haul or counterweight ropes are too long now, why not resplice it and get it over with once and for all?

As someone who would only go back to magic with 2 lifts working this is turning out to be a nightmare scenario. Someone with some loot needs to buy this place asap. Pains me to see things go from upbeat all fall to this disaster occuring right now.


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doublediamond said:

30°F, 70% RH = 27.1°F WB

Yes snow can be made.

And with elevation, temp usually decreases average at 3.56°F/1000 ft., so the summit could be around 21.8°F WB.

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Maybe if you have all the air in the world and wanted 4 guns blowing water. 27 wet bulb is like throwing dollar bills to the wind with a limited budget.

The summit should be more optimal and what they should be working on. No real excuse for not taking advantage of a 21 wet bulb like you said.

Newpylong said:

The summit might be more optimal...

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I'd be willing to bet that up top the temps/humidity/wetbulb are just fine for snowmaking... they just don't want to, maybe hoping for a Mother Nature bailout.

I hiked to the top today. Guns are in place but no hoses connected as of 3pm.

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Does that look like an operation that is gung-ho ready to go? No, it looks like a fly-by-night operation trying to suck the cream off the top of the operation, doing the least amount of work possible.

And all of this is meaningless if they don't get a chairlift inspected.

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Exactly, Hellooooooo, it's January 2nd!

Newpylong said:

Maybe if you have all the air in the world and wanted 4 guns blowing water. 27 wet bulb is like throwing dollar bills to the wind with a limited budget.

The summit should be more optimal and what they should be working on.

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Thus I mentioned it should be 21 WB at the summit. If 3 banks on Super Polecats are running at Mt. Snow for 30 hours straight, that's low 20's WB, confirming my estimate.

This isn't bad snowmaking weather. In past years, it's been c. 3200 cfm rented IIRC. A Ratnik with new nozzles should be ±12 CFM:GPM for low 20s. 266 gpm water up top. Add in that Trick has some low E guns, they can make more if those are on vs. only Ratniks. And Magic, like many air-water ski areas, defrays the cost of warmer snowmaking weather with their fleet of 9 or so Areco fan guns down low. Adding even more output. Off the top of my head, they probably could easily be putting 470 gpm on the hill before replacing Ratniks with any low E guns. Not too shabby that they can only pump at around 1200 gpm and water needs to return to the pump house to keep it from freezing in the pipes.

When you're not even open yet, you need to make snow at (nearly) all opportunities.

All in all, their pants are down. Again.

i think it's less than coincidental that the Swiss flag was the first raised. Can anyone tell me why?

MMP said:

i think it's less than coincidental that the Swiss flag was the first raised. Can anyone tell me why?

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It's a curse.

MMP said:

i think it's less than coincidental that the Swiss flag was the first raised. Can anyone tell me why?

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I don't have time for puzzles on a ski forum. Why don't you just make your point.

VTKilarney said:

I don't have time for puzzles on a ski forum. Why don't you just make your point.

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hahahaha. irony is awesome.

do you need that explained too? ^

did they make snow last night?

gmcunni said:

did they make snow last night?

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Is that a rhetorical question?

No lifts, no snowmaking, operating (should I say not operating) with no insurance ... but they've got smores! This is great.

Hoping for better for the Magic faithful in 2016!

Hiked Magic again today.
No signs of snowmaking.
No signs of lift work.
Felt a lot like a NELSAP.





It was really cold. Windy up top but cold with low humidity.

The new wings at the bar are really good.



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Still no snowmaking up here........even though snowing off and on, and every other mtn.is making it....
so something to lighten up the mood......

'Twas the week before christmas, when all through the lodge,
Facebook was used as a forum to dodge,

Any real questions asked by a fan,
Led to the person having a ban,
" the shed deck is opening and the roof has a patch",
Unsuspecting skiers didn't know there was a catch

Yes, the weather was warm,
so not opening was no harm......

Until the temps dropped and a storm did brew
Which raised many questions from the faithful ski crew

" where are the guns And can the lift spin"
" are u ready to open" became the loud din....

The mushroom management came glaring through
With prior Facebook messages ringing untrue

The chair isn't ready, and we can't make snow
It became apparent, they were never ready to go.....

The groomer in pieces in disrepair
"What if it dumped, there is no red chair!"

There will be no answers or real questions allowed
Creating frustration and no more trust from the crowd...

The snow is trying for the skiers amazing and true,
The next question is what the mountain will do

The weather an excuse, the mountain never there,
Not even a lifty with an inspected
chair

Was there ever a plan or all just a sham
Its time to find out said the ski clan

" we are the customers who deserve some answers,
Not anymore bullshit, bans or banter

So go to the source
As a skier force

Won't have to go far,
He's always in the bar

There sits the GM, tipping his libations
While all those around him lose all their patience

He'll tell u about fixing the roof, web and bar
Ask about the mountain, And u may not get far

There's gypsies in the castle
Thats caused all this hassle
As they don't seem to know,
which way to go---

The team at the top is a clueless crew,
But lets not lose sight of what we know true

Magic is made special by the community there,
Of friends, family and strangers who love their red chair

Because of this, the mountain is held dear
With hope snow will begin in the new year

So question And ask for true answers to know
Happy new years to all, and may magic make snow!'

that is really quite clever. Nice job.

Magicsnowboard said:

Hiked Magic again today.
No signs of snowmaking.
No signs of lift work.
Felt a lot like a NELSAP.


It was really cold. Windy up top but cold with low humidity.

The new wings at the bar are really good.

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Still nothing? Not even the hoses hooked up? Only 7 days until they say they are gonna open... yeah right.

MEtoVTSkier said:

Still nothing? Not even the hoses hooked up? Only 7 days until they say they are gonna open... yeah right.

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Hoses are hooked up around the base and to the top of showoff. Been that way for the last few days. Nothing above showoff is hooked up.

I think MLK weekend might be a more realistic opening.


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