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Anything wide open and 30 degrees or steeper is pretty much the only place you can fall to your death inbounds in the east.
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Worst Time to Ski Ice
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Another one of your super overgeneralizations. Go tell that to Natasha Richardson and her family.
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Great Northern? Even today it was getting slick in spots.
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You can crash anywhere and die.
I'm talking about losing your footing from an otherwise benign fall, then gaining enough speed sliding on steep ice to result in a fatal collision with solid objects. It happened at Killington in Dec. '05 on Double Dipper, and I've seen other near misses.
http://www.killingtonzone.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=22014
It should be noted that both guys passed by us at full speed, no more than ~20 feet away. By far the most disturbing thing I've seen at Killington, quite a terrifying situation for all involved.
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LOL. The silence is deafening.
You're trying to troll based off your comments of another skier's death and two others bad accidents? SERIOUSLY?
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Wow.
Someone asked for the worst place to ski ice, and I gave BY FAR the best answer.
Not to mention, it's a good warning for people to watch out for a potentially very dangerous situation (IMHO, the most dangerous possible situation/condition inbounds on an eastern mountain) that most people might not encounter that often if they ski somewhere flat like ski sundown.
Get over yourself.
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The difference between me and you is that I'm as awesome as I think I am, and you're not.
I will give you credit. You bring FAR more comedic value to the intertrons than I do. But, not for the reasons you think you do..........
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I'm pretty sure you just don't grasp the result of my superior sense of humor.
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You win a gold star for awesomeness. As hard as I try I don't think I will ever achieve it.
I absolutely get it. No one on these forums makes me crack up more. I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in that regard.
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Sugarbush has had incidents like the ones described at Killington.
The trail was sleeper - which is a cat-track width. The trail isn't steep but has a turn that at otherwise reasonable speeds can be dangerous.
Me and a friend took it for a change of pace. The first time I very nearly lost control and hugged a tree because of the wet ice. I did fall but managed to get my edge into some crud at the side of the trail. An hour later the trail was closed because a middle aged man hit the tree and was evacuated. He died within hours.
We ended the day at Mount Ellen and had a nasty situation on some stupid blue square. I don't know the Ellen side very well but it was half way down to the base. We hit some more slick ice (true clear ice - like a skating rink). I heel stopped as hard as I could and was still slowly gaining speed - thank goodness my edges were sharp. My buddy was above me and was able to scoot to the side of the trail. I was luckily able to come to a stop on the trail edge again - with my heart absolutely pounding. It took us at least half an hour of struggling to climb up the hill to find a safer way down. When you are carrying your board, only have snowboard boots on, and can't hold your footing its much more work than I would have guessed. I had to hold on to trees to climb up and considered dumping my board. The trail was probably mid twenties in pitch and it was scary as all hell.
What a lot of people call 'ice' is actually edge-able hard pack. This was not that. There is no way these two trails should have been open. Pure negligence in my opinion.
The trail was sleeper - which is a cat-track width. The trail isn't steep but has a turn that at otherwise reasonable speeds can be dangerous.
Me and a friend took it for a change of pace. The first time I very nearly lost control and hugged a tree because of the wet ice. I did fall but managed to get my edge into some crud at the side of the trail. An hour later the trail was closed because a middle aged man hit the tree and was evacuated. He died within hours.
We ended the day at Mount Ellen and had a nasty situation on some stupid blue square. I don't know the Ellen side very well but it was half way down to the base. We hit some more slick ice (true clear ice - like a skating rink). I heel stopped as hard as I could and was still slowly gaining speed - thank goodness my edges were sharp. My buddy was above me and was able to scoot to the side of the trail. I was luckily able to come to a stop on the trail edge again - with my heart absolutely pounding. It took us at least half an hour of struggling to climb up the hill to find a safer way down. When you are carrying your board, only have snowboard boots on, and can't hold your footing its much more work than I would have guessed. I had to hold on to trees to climb up and considered dumping my board. The trail was probably mid twenties in pitch and it was scary as all hell.
What a lot of people call 'ice' is actually edge-able hard pack. This was not that. There is no way these two trails should have been open. Pure negligence in my opinion.
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You don't need "steep" to have a tree or snowmaking gun impact to result in serious or fatal injuries.
I was at Bretton Woods -- which I think everybody agrees does not have anything "steep" -- on a day that was ridiculously icy. I was first in the lift line and a patroller came up to me and said "you realize that it's icy?" and I made some smart remark of "It's New England. It's always icy". The patroller told the liftie "let him on", and I went up.
Ice? You could have played a hockey game on this surface. I was terrified to make a turn because if you lost it, you were gone. I basically side-slipped down and called it quits. I don't know if the whole mountain was like that, but I do remember reading later on that somebody did die that day at BW when they took a slide into a tree.
I've only ever seen one section of one trail that was so icy that you could see the rocks and grass through it. Despite the legend of New England ice, I really don't see ice ice all that often, at least not big swaths of it. Serious hardpack that you couldn't possibly get a pole into -- yes. But you can usually get a grip on that stuff. True ice is hopeless.
I was at Bretton Woods -- which I think everybody agrees does not have anything "steep" -- on a day that was ridiculously icy. I was first in the lift line and a patroller came up to me and said "you realize that it's icy?" and I made some smart remark of "It's New England. It's always icy". The patroller told the liftie "let him on", and I went up.
Ice? You could have played a hockey game on this surface. I was terrified to make a turn because if you lost it, you were gone. I basically side-slipped down and called it quits. I don't know if the whole mountain was like that, but I do remember reading later on that somebody did die that day at BW when they took a slide into a tree.
I've only ever seen one section of one trail that was so icy that you could see the rocks and grass through it. Despite the legend of New England ice, I really don't see ice ice all that often, at least not big swaths of it. Serious hardpack that you couldn't possibly get a pole into -- yes. But you can usually get a grip on that stuff. True ice is hopeless.
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You guys clearly don't know how to setup or maintain your equipment for ice, do you?
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Of course, I forgot. You never fall, you've never had a ski slip out, and Mikaela herself calls you for advice.
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The problem with Killington is its high concentration of douchers who think they are better skiers than they really are. These kind of examples would never happen at Magic or MRG
steamboat1
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The same problem with most on this site. Thank god you guys ski weekends mostly
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