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  1. #1251
    Quote Originally Posted by kbroderick View Post
    Interesting article today, including the tidbit that they're targeting 150-180k skier visits per year, and that they went with the HSQ because otherwise they'd be running out of capacity around 100k.

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    Letís go with the idea that they will be open for 150-160 days per season and letís go with 150,000 skier visits

    That averages out to about 1000 people skiing per day - why does that seem high? That is 1000 people every single day! Granted weekends will carry the weight but weekdays it probably will be close to a ghost town.


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  2. #1252
    Quote Originally Posted by dlague View Post
    Let’s go with the idea that they will be open for 150-160 days per season and let’s go with 150,000 skier visits

    That averages out to about 1000 people skiing per day - why does that seem high? That is 1000 people every single day! Granted weekends will carry the weight but weekdays it probably will be close to a ghost town.
    I'd be shocked if they ran lifts much, if any, beyond Thanksgiving to Easter. Going earlier requires taking advantage of marginal (i.e. inefficient) snowmaking windows; going much later it tends to be difficult to scare up customers.

    With that said, assuming 36 weekend days (18 weeks, November to April), 150,000 / 36 is about 4,200 skier-visits averaged per weekend day. That's a bit less than a third of a busy day at Sunday River (based on the numbers cited in the podcast last year); even if you figured 3800 (with the rest being midweek skier-days), that seems...optimistic...for Rangely.
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    I don't see this article saying they need to hit 150K skier/rider days THIS season, that is what they need to hit to be sustainable overall. I seriously doubt their business plan would hinge on making that volume of visits in their first season back. I would think 75-100K would put them over the moon this year, pointing to that 150K as being very attainable moving forward.

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    Price drops announced on a couple of their passes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dlague View Post
    Let’s go with the idea that they will be open for 150-160 days per season and let’s go with 150,000 skier visits

    That averages out to about 1000 people skiing per day - why does that seem high? That is 1000 people every single day! Granted weekends will carry the weight but weekdays it probably will be close to a ghost town.


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    I think 120 skier days is more likely (roughly December to March). If they make it into April I would expect it to be weekends only. Anyway, I've already put Saddleback is on the list this year. If the experience is good I'll be repeat customer. If not, its back to SR and SL for my Maine trips.

  6. #1256
    Quote Originally Posted by machski View Post
    I don't see this article saying they need to hit 150K skier/rider days THIS season, that is what they need to hit to be sustainable overall. I seriously doubt their business plan would hinge on making that volume of visits in their first season back. I would think 75-100K would put them over the moon this year, pointing to that 150K as being very attainable moving forward.

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    Agreed; based on what they've said so far, I'd expect it's highly likely they have a master plan to go with that level of visitation, with a plausible timeframe to get there. I just remain skeptical given the driving distance to major population centers, particularly the "it feels like we're about to hear banjo music" element on a non-trivial chunk of the drive.
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    After 5 years with the doors closed and the effect of COVID, Saddleback might do 50K visits this season. They will need to take 120K visits from Sunday River and Sugarloaf going forward to make SB sustainable (Actaris number). I wonder what the plan is to try and capture these skiers visits. Currently, there is not enough lodging around SB to support this level of visits.

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    When they were opened they stole me from sugarloaf a few times a year. Much better doing a 3 /4 day weekend splitting my days between the 2. Donít care to ski Sunday River. Although I use to a lot back in the early 90ís.


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  9. #1259
    Quote Originally Posted by x10003q View Post
    After 5 years with the doors closed and the effect of COVID, Saddleback might do 50K visits this season. They will need to take 120K visits from Sunday River and Sugarloaf going forward to make SB sustainable (Actaris number). I wonder what the plan is to try and capture these skiers visits. Currently, there is not enough lodging around SB to support this level of visits.
    This is why it went unsold for so long. Numbers donít add up. Arctaris is not in the ski business. Their stated plan is to flip it in under ten years.

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    30 jobs (many with multiple openings) are now posted for up there if anyone wants to move up and enjoy the whole season as most include a season pass.
    Ski Season is too short

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