Saddleback - Page 17

AlpineZone

Page 17 of 119 FirstFirst ... 715161718192767117 ... LastLast
Results 161 to 170 of 1182

Thread: Saddleback

  1. #161
    I'd buy Peak if I were Vail. $93 million market cap for all those Midwest feeder hills and some cherries on top in the northeast sounds way more appealing.

    Ski season is always too short

  2. #162
    Powdr! 😀
    Live, Ski or Die Trying!!!
    "Life is not measured by the numbers of breaths we take, but by the ski runs that take our breath away."

    SKI THE EAST!!!!!!

  3. #163
    Quote Originally Posted by eastern powder baby View Post
    I'd buy Peak if I were Vail. $93 million market cap for all those Midwest feeder hills and some cherries on top in the northeast sounds way more appealing.
    As much as I'm very happy with what Peak has done with Mount Snow since they bought it, and still is doing/planning to do with Mount Snow in the coming years, I'd be thrilled if Vail Resorts bought Peak for the reasons you listed, even if it means that Mount Snow would once again likely not be treated by the owners as their flagship resort, as Peak has been doing for the last 6 or 7 years now
    '07--08 season: 51 Days, '08-'09 season: 55 Days, '09-'10 season: 41 Days, '10-'11 season: 49 days, '11-'12 season: 40 Days '12-'13 season: 57 days, '13-'14 season, 60 days '14-'15 season 60 days, '15-'16 season 52 days, '16-'17 season: 50 days, '17-'18 season 52 days, '18-'19 season 45 days '07-'19 seasons: 612 Days

    '19 - '20 season:

  4. #164
    I know I've said this before, but it would be a great growth engine for the epic pass, which is how they lure families to drop the big bucks out west. No idea if it would ever happen, but I think there is good reason for Vail to do it.
    Ski season is always too short

  5. #165
    Whitey's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Suburban sprawl north of Boston
    Posts
    388
    I’m no finance guy, and even further from a real estate expert. But I have a really bad feeling about this one. I’d hate to see SB close because I have skied there several times and even rented a house up there a couple of seasons ago (just for a 1 week trip). I really love the area. But there are so many things that don’t seem to work for this.

    The only way it’s viable is if they can increase the # of skier visits. Some have said the replacing the Rangeley double isn’t necessary. I couldn’t disagree more. Yes, you can get around it but that’s only if you want to ski off of the Kennebago quad. That’s the part of the mtn that interest me too, but I am an expert skier. The key to increasing skier visits is getting the beginner and intermediate skiers to ski your mountain. The Kennebago quad and the T-bar don’t do much for that skier group. Additionally, it’s not just about how long the lift lines are for the Rangeley – it’s also a lot about how long the ride is. Good god it is that a long, slow, and usually very cold, ride. It's even worse after standing in line for 10-15 min. Also you have to throw in the bad publicity that SL has gotten for the safety of older lifts in Maine, yikes - it's a 51 yr old lift. I’m no expert, but I think that if your goal is increasing skier visits – the Rangeley double is a deal-breaker.

    The other part to increase skier visits you’d have to do more with the base area. The lodge is fine, actually very nice. But there’s not much else. That’s more $.

    At a time when skier visits are either plateaued or only marginally increasing – where are the add’l visits going to come from? It’s too far from any major population centers. So, to me, the only way they could increase visits significantly would be to take skiers away from SR and SL. How does SB compete with those areas with all they have for amenities, lodging, and familiarity? Even if they somehow find the $ to follow the “own the real estate, use the improved ski area to attract buyers/renters, make $ off of the real estate” plan that others have used – are there really enough people that they could pull in or steal from SL & SR to for that to work?

    So, not much chance of a new chair, unlikely to have or find the $ to improve base area and lodging, and I can’t see how they can steal skiers from SR & SL w/out those first two improvements. About their only chance is to find deep pockets person/company that would be willing to lose money on the resort. I think that person/company is standing next to a unicorn.

    And throw in that there potentially a new "major resort" coming up with the Balsams, more competition for skier visits.

    I think I will shed a tear when I read the “Saddleback” page on NELSAP in a few years. I wish I didn't think that but can't seem to escape that conclusion.

  6. #166
    Whitey's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    Suburban sprawl north of Boston
    Posts
    388
    PS - I think my last post just killed Salsgang. Can someone go by his house and check on him for me?

  7. #167
    catsup948's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Shelburne Falls, MA
    Posts
    1,026
    I actually think besides prices going up Saddleback would benefit from being bought by Vail. New lift and any other improvements would likely happen right away.
    Snow!

  8. #168
    bigbog's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Location
    Bangor and the state's woodlands
    Posts
    4,867
    Agree with catsup948 on deeper pockets handling things...they may be able to see more of the forest from the trees...than the present, including SL as well...y/n? The idea that all New England ski resorts have to be groomed out bowling alleys is so ludicrous. Skiers can ski any resort if there's one main lift to the top of each peak...
    Last edited by bigbog; Aug 22, 2015 at 12:39 PM.
    SteveD

  9. #169
    salsgang's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Southern Coastal Maine
    Posts
    815
    Quote Originally Posted by Whitey View Post
    PS - I think my last post just killed Salsgang. Can someone go by his house and check on him for me?
    Haha I am still here. Not much new to report. For whatever reason they are in radio silence and all we all can do is speculate.

    I agree there are only so many skiers to go around. SB is behind the 8 ball in a very tough spot. I imagine we will know soon but I have been saying that for a few weeks!

  10. #170
    SkiFanE's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    New England
    Posts
    1,260
    Quote Originally Posted by bigbog View Post
    Agree with catsup948 on deeper pockets handling things...they may be able to see more of the forest from the trees...than the present, including SL as well...y/n? The idea that all New England ski resorts have to be groomed out bowling alleys is so ludicrous. Skiers can ski any resort if there's one main lift to the top of each peak...
    You could be onto somethjg. The biggest complaint about SR is their obsession with grooming. I hate it but it's still my home mountain, I get around it lol. If some western resort could leave SB in a more natural state and advertise it as the natural snow playground of the east type place, hmmmmm could work. Only been there once but it was amazing in Casablanca after 18" of fresh and I was astounded by the amount of snow the mountain had. Yeah, nice to dream.... I really hope they can do something - hate to see it close.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
All times are GMT -5. The time now is 6:24 PM.