Powder Mag: Industry Fat Cats Shots in Feet

yeggous · Nov 19, 2016

I don't want to get deeply involved in climate change arguments either. The truthiness of the issue too quickly overcomes the truth. The problem seems to be that people cloud the line between scientific and value judgements.

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JimG. · Nov 19, 2016

Agree totally with last 3 posts.

And the best way to get nothing done is to politicize an issue.

darent · Nov 19, 2016

SIKSKIER said:
OK, I'll start.We've had GW for eons.There used to be a mile of ice on top of us at least a few times.

refreshing comment, you can't deny climate change, the facts are in ,we are here because of it

coolflippers · Nov 19, 2016

This is not merely CO2. This is benzene, mercury, lead, DDT, sulfur oxides, nitrogen oxides, chloride, cyanide, ammonia, ozone, arsenic, so on and so forth.

Each and every manager, especially top executives, who supports lighter environmental regulation, who prioritizes their pay over the safety of our environment, should be thrown into a work camp under the same conditions lighter regulations would permit. I hope they'd enjoy pouring the balls of mercury out of their socks after a hard days work cleaning up a tailing pond. When they prematurely die of cancer, when their family gets post-mortem a handful of months left-over sick pay, when the gutting of healthcare laws renders their widow and kids without affordable care, when the house they own is worthless in a town steaming with pollutants, then the fat cats are off heli-skiing in AK while it rains all winter in the lower 48.

This is the administration these ski industry execs support. They are the lowest of the low, swamp scum, duplicitous con-men that belong in a psych ward rather than out polluting the world in the act of pilfering society, full stop.

dlague · Nov 21, 2016

coolflippers said:
This is not merely CO2. This is benzene, mercury, lead, DDT, sulfur oxides, nitrogen oxides, chloride, cyanide, ammonia, ozone, arsenic, so on and so forth.

Each and every manager, especially top executives, who supports lighter environmental regulation, who prioritizes their pay over the safety of our environment, should be thrown into a work camp under the same conditions lighter regulations would permit. I hope they'd enjoy pouring the balls of mercury out of their socks after a hard days work cleaning up a tailing pond. When they prematurely die of cancer, when their family gets post-mortem a handful of months left-over sick pay, when the gutting of healthcare laws renders their widow and kids without affordable care, when the house they own is worthless in a town steaming with pollutants, then the fat cats are off heli-skiing in AK while it rains all winter in the lower 48.

This is the administration these ski industry execs support. They are the lowest of the low, swamp scum, duplicitous con-men that belong in a psych ward rather than out polluting the world in the act of pilfering society, full stop.

Okay! You definitely have a dark view of the world we live in! Need to get out and ski more, or something.

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mbedle · Nov 21, 2016

dlague said:
Okay! You definitely have a dark view of the world we live in! Need to get out and ski more, or something.

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LOL - was thinking the same thing...

fbrissette · Nov 21, 2016

dlague said:
Okay! You definitely have a dark view of the world we live in!

May be, but his view is partly rooted in truth. Keeping the environment clean costs money. Lots of money. Most environmental regulations (air, water, soils) have been in response to major pollution problems that put life at risks. They were easy for politicians to justify.

Some of the most important environmental remaining issues (e.g. climate change, trace toxic pollutants, endocrine disruptors) do not create the same urgency even though they will prove much more complicated and costly to solve in the end.

So in this day and age, when a government moves toward environmental deregulation and then puts people in charge who don't believe in science, it is kind of scary.

dlague · Nov 21, 2016

fbrissette said:
May be, but his view is partly rooted in truth. Keeping the environment clean costs money. Lots of money. Most environmental regulations (air, water, soils) have been in response to major pollution problems that put life at risks. They were easy for politicians to justify.

Some of the most important environmental remaining issues (e.g. climate change, trace toxic pollutants, endocrine disruptors) do not create the same urgency even though they will prove much more complicated and costly to solve in the end.

So in this day and age, when a government moves toward environmental deregulation and then puts people in charge who don't believe in science, it is kind of scary.

See, you spelled it out with a little less venom and horror.

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fbrissette · Nov 21, 2016

Yep, but i understand why some people get really passionate about this.

DoublePlanker · Nov 21, 2016

If only we could return to the days when environmental policy was not so politicized. George Bush clean air act comes to mind.

Jully · Nov 21, 2016

DoublePlanker said:
If only we could return to the days when environmental policy was not so politicized. George Bush clean air act comes to mind.

The 70s were a great place for that.

Jully · Nov 21, 2016

dlague said:
See, you spelled it out with a little less venom and horror.

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fbrissette said:
Yep, but i understand why some people get really passionate about this.

Agreed with both of you. Especially if you have been personally affected by it, it can be really hard. Speak to one of the mothers of the children in Woburn who got leukemia, they have a lot of anger and have trouble calming it to speak and explain their scenario to other people. That being said, it is really important to be able to calmly explain the issue in terms that everyone can understand. Gone is the era of just believing anything a doctor, PhD, or expert tells you. People want to make their own decisions these days and that's fine, people just have to adapt their language some of the time to make their message digestible by people of all points of view.

Passion is great, but it has to be tempered sometimes or at least team up with someone who can temper it like fbrissette and coolflippers inadvertently did. You get their attention, then calmly explain it.

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