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    death on Annapurna @ Hunter today


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    That's sad. Condolences to the family.

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    Terrible but not unexpected.

    Grooming=Death on steep trails like that. We've discussed this on AZ many times before. If the trail had been allowed to bump up as expert trails should this man would most likely be alive now.

    Sorry for the soapbox rant but someone at Hunter needs to wake up and take notice.

    RIP and heartfelt condolences to his family, truly sad.

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    Yikes. With all the negativity about grooming at the mountain it's sad that it might take a death to address skier/rider safety

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimG. View Post
    Terrible but not unexpected.

    Grooming=Death on steep trails like that. We've discussed this on AZ many times before. If the trail had been allowed to bump up as expert trails should this man would most likely be alive now.

    Sorry for the soapbox rant but someone at Hunter needs to wake up and take notice.

    RIP and heartfelt condolences to his family, truly sad.
    Annapurna does not look very wide either. With the steep groomers, mountains should stick to wide trails to increase the chance a fallen skier does not hit a trees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benski View Post
    Annapurna does not look very wide either. With the steep groomers, mountains should stick to wide trails to increase the chance a fallen skier does not hit a trees.
    Not wide and there are subtle curves in the trail layout. Also a subtle double fall line.

    All of which conspires to funnel sliding skiers towards the woods.

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    Do you guys know that it was groomed?

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    In the end, skiers are responsible for their own decisions. No one holds a gun to your head and tells you to ski faster than is safe for the current conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimG. View Post
    Terrible but not unexpected.

    Grooming=Death on steep trails like that. We've discussed this on AZ many times before. If the trail had been allowed to bump up as expert trails should this man would most likely be alive now.

    Sorry for the soapbox rant but someone at Hunter needs to wake up and take notice.

    RIP and heartfelt condolences to his family, truly sad.
    Condolences to all involved. Steep icy groomers are my most hated trails. I avoid them as much as possible, and certainly agree that they are death traps. And while im not great at bumps I will choose them every time over a tilted skating rink. I've taken a few death slides on ice over the years after a yardsale, lower Ovation at K comes to mind, and it's not fun. Less experienced skiers certainly can die in these situations as self arrest is not a given.

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    Always so sad. Ski in Peace and prayers for the pain this family is now suffering.

    Quote Originally Posted by JimG. View Post
    Terrible but not unexpected.

    Grooming=Death on steep trails like that. We've discussed this on AZ many times before. If the trail had been allowed to bump up as expert trails should this man would most likely be alive now.

    Sorry for the soapbox rant but someone at Hunter needs to wake up and take notice.

    RIP and heartfelt condolences to his family, truly sad.
    I do agree with this

    Quote Originally Posted by raisingarizona View Post
    In the end, skiers are responsible for their own decisions. No one holds a gun to your head and tells you to ski faster than is safe for the current conditions.
    I also agree with this too.

    However, I think what Jim is saying is that seeing something groomed can often give skiers of lesser ability a false sense of security. Maybe they might pass over the trail if it's bumped. They'd certainly ski the trail slower with moguls and that lesser speed might prevent a tragedy like this one.

    That said, we don't know anything about this particular skiers ability. I'm pretty skilled on icy groomers and definitely ski at a high rate of speed on some stuff that maybe I shouldn't. The judgment call on what is too fast for certain conditions isn't always easy to determine. We all can slip up or have an equipment malfunction at any moment and get into trouble.

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