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    Epic Pass just got more Epic

    Perhaps in response to the new Ikon Pass...

    Telluride is joining the Epic Pass!



    Beginning in the 2018/19 winter season, the Epic Pass, Epic 7-Day and Epic 4-Day will have direct-to-lift access to Telluride Ski Resort.
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    Just saw that and yes, let the battle begin...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbedle View Post
    Just saw that and yes, let the battle begin...
    Count me out.

    I am not a fan of these "pass battles" as I think they're bad for the skiing public in general, most of who do not have (or wish to have) a season pass.

    The net effect of these pass alliances doing battle is an increase in single day ticket rates, the rates for which many people pay. Making skiing more expensive (to the point they seek to "force" you to choose a pass option), for most people, and certainly for the casual masses, is not a good thing IMO. My 2..
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenedictGomez View Post
    Count me out.

    I am not a fan of these "pass battles" as I think they're bad for the skiing public in general, most of who do not have (or wish to have) a season pass.

    The net effect of these pass alliances doing battle is an increase in single day ticket rates, the rates for which many people pay. Making skiing more expensive (to the point they seek to "force" you to choose a pass option), for most people, and certainly for the casual masses, is not a good thing IMO. My 2..
    I agree. But it is great for enthusiasts like us who get a bunch of mountains dirt cheap.

    I do hate the increase in day ticket prices...people still seem to buy them though. I don't go to the big resorts (ones that charge $90+) during peak winter weekends/holidays, but I always hear stories of long lines for day tickets at the window.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenedictGomez View Post
    Count me out.

    I am not a fan of these "pass battles" as I think they're bad for the skiing public in general, most of who do not have (or wish to have) a season pass.

    The net effect of these pass alliances doing battle is an increase in single day ticket rates, the rates for which many people pay. Making skiing more expensive (to the point they seek to "force" you to choose a pass option), for most people, and certainly for the casual masses, is not a good thing IMO. My 2..
    While I have a season pass (to a single resort) and am ultimately benefiting from the wars causing my pass price to drop, I still agree that trying to "force" people into buying season passes and pricing day tickets at rates that scare people away is not a good thing. In particular I still see high day ticket prices as a major roadblock to growth in the sport or even introducing new people to the sport (the exception being kids that are brought up skiing from a young age).

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    Quote Originally Posted by BenedictGomez View Post
    Count me out.

    I am not a fan of these "pass battles" as I think they're bad for the skiing public in general, most of who do not have (or wish to have) a season pass.

    The net effect of these pass alliances doing battle is an increase in single day ticket rates, the rates for which many people pay. Making skiing more expensive (to the point they seek to "force" you to choose a pass option), for most people, and certainly for the casual masses, is not a good thing IMO. My 2..
    If I didn't spend 99% of my time skiing one resort, I couldn't agree with you more. But in my case, its nothing but a win for me. Plus, if Epic adds any places in the northeast to their 50% off group, its even better for me. My guess is that they will look to pick up a couple of NE resorts to add to their pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BenedictGomez View Post
    Count me out.

    I am not a fan of these "pass battles" as I think they're bad for the skiing public in general, most of who do not have (or wish to have) a season pass.

    The net effect of these pass alliances doing battle is an increase in single day ticket rates, the rates for which many people pay. Making skiing more expensive (to the point they seek to "force" you to choose a pass option), for most people, and certainly for the casual masses, is not a good thing IMO. My 2..
    Definitely nervous about the increased consolidation and ticket prices due to passes, but as that is the way the industry is just going right now, I don't think it is reversing anytime soon. Eventually a mountain will reverse the trend, I'm sure, by offering incredible ticket deals or something but the passes appear to be working well for the masses right now at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BenedictGomez View Post
    Count me out.

    I am not a fan of these "pass battles" as I think they're bad for the skiing public in general, most of who do not have (or wish to have) a season pass.

    The net effect of these pass alliances doing battle is an increase in single day ticket rates, the rates for which many people pay. Making skiing more expensive (to the point they seek to "force" you to choose a pass option), for most people, and certainly for the casual masses, is not a good thing IMO. My 2..
    I love my Max Pass this year and my Pico pass too. But I agree I don't think all these mega pass options will benefit the sport in the long run. One of my nieces (8th grade) really wants to learn to ski. Finances are very tight for her family. Even if my spouse and I take her up and treat her to lessons, rental, etc. what happens if she loves it? It has never been a cheap sport but you are looking at hundreds of dollars a day for a family to ski with lift tickets, rentals, etc. once you get beyond a beginner package. At some point it just doesn't make sense.

    I would offer up that I am also a motorcycle rider. The motorcycle industry is really struggling with its demographics. Enthusiasts demand more power, more features and the industry is happy to do it. But now they have an aging albeit wealthy market segment and too many are priced out or don't fit the market niche that is left. Lots of attempts to change now but so much time has been lost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by medfordmike View Post
    I would offer up that I am also a motorcycle rider. The motorcycle industry is really struggling with its demographics. Enthusiasts demand more power, more features and the industry is happy to do it. But now they have an aging albeit wealthy market segment and too many are priced out or don't fit the market niche that is left. Lots of attempts to change now but so much time has been lost.
    So you're telling me ALL the motorcycle companies are going after the same demographic? All the while enough of the "other" demographics were un-served?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmcunni View Post
    Perhaps in response to the new Ikon Pass...
    Definitely seems like a response to the Ikon. Interesting that Telluride was one of the last independent large destination resort in CO. They were also a Mountain Collective resort. I doubt they will be next year.

    The MCP will look really different with Tride and probably the new Ikon mountains off the pass.

    The part that impacts me will be if Vail adds anywhere in the Northeast. The Ikon is currently a better NE option (though it still isn't great from a strictly eastern perspective, IMO).

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