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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    I'll say this, the snowmaking is nothing like when Les Owned the place. They would have guns going 24/7 8 trails at a time and they would have extra compressors in the barker parking lot. Things went much faster. That is the issue with your new corporate owner Boyne. Budgets Budgets.
    They don't want to go the way ASC did...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smellytele View Post
    They don't want to go the way ASC did...
    I am not talking about ASC. I am taking about 1987 to 1995 and a little beyond. Sunday River was the fastest growing and most profitable area in the east at that time. I will agree that forming ASC and the start of the huge debt financing era did him in. But when I skied there from 86 onward we got a new lift or mountain area almost every year and they blew snow like no one else. I skied there 60 to 100 days year and know what I experienced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jully View Post
    One year doesn't make a trend, but the ingredients of full staff+seemingly reliable infrastructure (though on mountain pipes weren't changed at all to my knowledge) are now there. Leaves mountain philosophy to really begin to shine and that is where I trust Sunday River management.

    Not quite an industry trailblazer right now, but everything points to a big step forward this year even beyond the sheer results.
    That it does. Been an amazing season, just too much help from Ma Nature this year to pile on too much credit to mountain ops yet.

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    Do you ski there now? I feel like skier numbers are way down. Its probably harder to gauge with all the pass products but I feel like the place is a ghost town most of the time. Other than Saturdays, things are really quiet.

    I think their snowmaking is on a good pace. They really need to invest money in infrastructure, lifts and lodging. Lifts are terrible, lodges gross no where near modern standards.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    I am not talking about ASC. I am taking about 1987 to 1995 and a little beyond. Sunday River was the fastest growing and most profitable area in the east at that time. I will agree that forming ASC and the start of the huge debt financing era did him in. But when I skied there from 86 onward we got a new lift or mountain area almost every year and they blew snow like no one else. I skied there 60 to 100 days year and know what I experienced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverveteran View Post
    Do you ski there now? I feel like skier numbers are way down. Its probably harder to gauge with all the pass products but I feel like the place is a ghost town most of the time. Other than Saturdays, things are really quiet.

    I think their snowmaking is on a good pace. They really need to invest money in infrastructure, lifts and lodging. Lifts are terrible, lodges gross no where near modern standards.
    Fridays tend to busy as well, though they don't come anywhere near a Saturday. Friends tell me Sunday afternoons are pretty quiet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uphillklimber View Post
    Fridays tend to busy as well, though they don't come anywhere near a Saturday. Friends tell me Sunday afternoons are pretty quiet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverveteran View Post
    Do you ski there now? I feel like skier numbers are way down. Its probably harder to gauge with all the pass products but I feel like the place is a ghost town most of the time. Other than Saturdays, things are really quiet.

    I think their snowmaking is on a good pace. They really need to invest money in infrastructure, lifts and lodging. Lifts are terrible, lodges gross no where near modern standards.
    Skier numbers are down from their peak in the mid 90's for sure. But still around 500K a year. It is harder to tell when it is crazy busy now because of how many pods and lifts we have to spread them out. Lodges could use some love over the long term, they aren't good awful yet. Lifts, well that could use some investment (ahm, Barker to start). Glad to see the snowmaking getting the love first. It's what put the place on the map. They need to get that back to game changer level to redraw peak skier visits IMHO. They used to draw big numbers in the early 90's with just 1 HSQ (Barker in it's original Yan configuration!)

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    Skiing today was buttery smooth early on. A fresh layer of snow over the groomers was real nice. We kinda skied from the Dream maker to Obsession and most trails had good coverage though a tad thin as the day wore on. Some stones coming up here and there. As we rode up the Spruce lift, we saw some rock on Risky, so we took American express down, which was fine.

    Today was 9 lifts and 66 trails, light crowds and short lines.

    Tomorrow (Tuesday), the weather reports are calling for high winds. The groomers will do their thing tonight, as usual, but you may not get a lift to take you uphill. Wednesday and Thursday is calling for winds under 10 MPH and temps in the 30's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    I am not talking about ASC. I am taking about 1987 to 1995 and a little beyond. Sunday River was the fastest growing and most profitable area in the east at that time. I will agree that forming ASC and the start of the huge debt financing era did him in. But when I skied there from 86 onward we got a new lift or mountain area almost every year and they blew snow like no one else. I skied there 60 to 100 days year and know what I experienced.
    I skied there a lot 1989-1997 when it was expanding as well. Before the forming of ASC he must have been leveraging as well though just not as much as the ASC years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smellytele View Post
    I skied there a lot 1989-1997 when it was expanding as well. Before the forming of ASC he must have been leveraging as well though just not as much as the ASC years.
    Not really at that point. SR's growth allowed him the ability to leverage build up ASC. Had he been highly leveraged on LBO holdings (when he had SR, Attitash and SB) I don't think he would have had the ability to form up ASC. Even with the loose lending practices in the late 90's.

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