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    Quote Originally Posted by cdskier View Post
    As of today, mileage range.
    Not really. A little less but by no means "awful".

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    Quote Originally Posted by abc View Post
    Not really. A little less but by no means "awful".
    How long does it take to charge a car compared to filling it with gas?
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    Quote Originally Posted by abc View Post
    In what way are batteries "awful" compared to gas?
    Just off the top of my head, and I'm sure I'm missing plenty.

    1) Convenience
    2) Mileage distance
    3) Operating parameters
    4) Potential replacement cost versus nothing
    5) Time
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    Quote Originally Posted by abc View Post
    Not really. A little less but by no means "awful".
    A little less? No, it's a lot less.

    And keep in mind, the "electric vehicle ranges" you see posted are pretty bogus, because they are track tested under optimal temperature, and with NO additional power (no air conditioning, no radio, nothing), and driven at unrealistically low mph speeds versus normal highway driving to conserve battery. The US EPA which puts out the bogus ranges, is, "in on the fix", to help sell electric cars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenedictGomez View Post
    And keep in mind, the "electric vehicle ranges" you see posted are pretty bogus, because they are track tested under optimal temperature, and with NO additional power (no air conditioning, no radio, nothing), and driven at unrealistically low mph speeds versus normal highway driving to conserve battery. The US EPA which puts out the bogus ranges, is, "in on the fix", to help sell electric cars.
    I'm not "seeing posted" mileages as you presumed.

    I know a skier who actually owns a Tesla. He's driven it across the country on mini ski safari for the past 2 seasons!

    Yes, he shared realistic mileages, total trip time including charging time, on another ski forum as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smellytele View Post
    How long does it take to charge a car compared to filling it with gas?
    But the context of the question is a one way driver-less rental car return. How does charging time matter?

    So a 5 hr "run" by the driver-less car will actually be 5 1/2 hr, all the while the person is sleeping soundly in his hotel room, or is already on a plane back east!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenedictGomez View Post
    Just off the top of my head, and I'm sure I'm missing plenty.



    1) Convenience
    2) Mileage distance
    3) Operating parameters
    4) Potential replacement cost versus nothing
    5) Time
    I would say Electric cars are more of a commuter thing now. I know someone who got a Chevy Volt, which is really a plug in hybrid and only had to take it to the gas station about 3 times in 6 months, which is a huge pro but they only use it for local driving and have a second car for road trips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abc View Post
    I'm not "seeing posted" mileages as you presumed.

    I know a skier who actually owns a Tesla. He's driven it across the country on mini ski safari for the past 2 seasons!


    Yes, he shared realistic mileages, total trip time including charging time, on another ski forum as well.
    Then his stop to recharge time took a whole lot longer than the cumulative stop to gas up time. And he had to plan out where to stop on this route. SEE: #1, #2, and #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by benski View Post
    I would say Electric cars are more of a commuter thing now.
    Bingo. And therein lies (one of) the problems as a vacation car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenedictGomez View Post
    Then his stop to recharge time took a whole lot longer than the cumulative stop to gas up time. And he had to plan out where to stop on this route. SEE: #1, #2, and #5
    #2 and 5 is related. One may even say they are one and the same.

    While the "gas up time" is shorter than charging time, that's not counting going to the bathroom and worse, stopping for food and drink. In reality, just about most people found the total trip time is longer than what google map indicates.

    #1 is largely subjective. The "planning" that goes into charging is the same as people plan to stop for gas and food. Still, NOBODY ever mention the "inconvenience" of having to stop for food! Yet it's a HUGE DEAL to plan to stop to charge the battery!!!

    Electric vehicle has one and only one real big issue, limited range. That limit is slowly increasing. Still, every mitigating measures are viewed as huge and insurmountable "inconvenience" or worse.

    I've been a foot soldier since the early days of internet commerce. I've observed the exact same reaction back then. I can't help but laugh at the repeat in this new cycle.
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