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    '19-'20 who's part of what Pass thread

    Just announced that Snowbasin, UT and Sun Valley will be part of the Epic Pass next season



    We should also be starting to get some pricing numbers in the next few weeks based on historical pricing releases....
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    Wonder what that means for Mountain Collective. I was sort of hoping they'd go Ikon. Snowbasin especially is on my short list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jully View Post
    Snowbasin especially is on my short list.
    I'll be hitting Snowbasin next month for the first time!
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    I have Epic Local this year, if they add someplace in New England, I will probably buy it again. Hoping Wachusett joins either Epic or Ikon. Problem with Ikon for me still is the blackout dates, and the lack of a easy day trip option from Boston. Loon is a long day trip, Sunapee just feels much easier and closer.

    Jay Peak is the free agent, I think most of us expect Alterra to buy it and put it on Ikon. Also there are still rumors of Vail buying Smuggs, but I doubt that will happen.

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    As I've said, if Jay gets added to Ikon, I will send them a blank check that they can write any amount on because you won't beat that lineup in the east PLUS SLC plus Jackson, Big Sky, Steamboat, Winter Park, Taos, and on and on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jully View Post
    Wonder what that means for Mountain Collective. I was sort of hoping they'd go Ikon. Snowbasin especially is on my short list.
    I would have preferred that too, but makes sense Vail got in fast and added them into Epic. They were being out gunned in Utah by Ikon as it currently stood.

    I don't see smaller areas like Wachusett being added to either pass unless the parent buys the property out right. As an independent partner resort, the economics don't make sense to revenue share with the smaller areas, unless they are owned.

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    Agreed. Actually if they can keep the current line up, I’d go IKON again for sure. The line up on East is already much stronger than Epic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by machski View Post
    I would have preferred that too, but makes sense Vail got in fast and added them into Epic. They were being out gunned in Utah by Ikon as it currently stood.

    I don't see smaller areas like Wachusett being added to either pass unless the parent buys the property out right. As an independent partner resort, the economics don't make sense to revenue share with the smaller areas, unless they are owned.

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    Heck, with the successful operation year in and year out that Wachusett runs, it would either take the Crowley's agreeing to a full buy out of the area by one of the big(ger) operators, or some major shift in the operations of Polar Beverages for them to want to profit share with one multi-resort operators I'm guessing.

    Wachusett has quite it's own niche with the combo of it's location, it's STRONG afterschool program and adult night race league, and a decent enough weekend program that appeals to SE New England with enough interest to keep them coming in large numbers week in and week out as well as year in and year out. Why would they want to dilute some of that business, when in reality they're aren't too many other players in their region that can offer up anything remotely close to what they do for a good chunk of the population base that's within an hour of them (especially if you talk South and East of their location?
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    '19 - '20 season:

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    Quote Originally Posted by machski View Post
    I would have preferred that too, but makes sense Vail got in fast and added them into Epic. They were being out gunned in Utah by Ikon as it currently stood.
    A day-late-and-a-dollar short IMHO.

    Vail should buy Brighton or do something more Wasatch meaningful. You need to jump in a rental car to hit Snowbasin. Better than nothing, but the Front/Back is where the real ski $$$$$ in Utah is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drjeff View Post
    Heck, with the successful operation year in and year out that Wachusett runs, it would either take the Crowley's agreeing to a full buy out of the area by one of the big(ger) operators, or some major shift in the operations of Polar Beverages for them to want to profit share with one multi-resort operators I'm guessing.

    Wachusett has quite it's own niche with the combo of it's location, it's STRONG afterschool program and adult night race league, and a decent enough weekend program that appeals to SE New England with enough interest to keep them coming in large numbers week in and week out as well as year in and year out. Why would they want to dilute some of that business, when in reality they're aren't too many other players in their region that can offer up anything remotely close to what they do for a good chunk of the population base that's within an hour of them (especially if you talk South and East of their location?
    Wachusett was on the Max Pass for two years being an independent mountain. So they were interested in being on multi mountain passes previously. I do not think Vail or Alterra is going to buy Wachusett, but I could see them making a deal to be on either the Ikon or Epic Passes.

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