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  1. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by cdskier View Post
    Do you know that for a fact? I see a lot of the same people on the mountain every week. Without access to the numbers, I'm not going to automatically assume I'm in the minority and that most people use their passes for fewer days.
    As of last season, the average domestically was 5.8 days*. Personally, I'd rather know the median, but average is decent enough to know for 100% certain that tons of people arent skiing "mid-40s" & "more than" that per year.





    *EDIT: This is from NSAA data for those wondering
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  2. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by BenedictGomez View Post
    As of last season, the average domestically was 5.8 days*. Personally, I'd rather know the median, but average is decent enough to know for 100% certain that tons of people arent skiing "mid-40s" & "more than" that per year.



    *EDIT: This is from NSAA data for those wondering
    Where are you seeing that 5.8 number? In looking at NSAA data (latest I can find is for the 2016/17 season), it ranges from a low of 9.1 in the Rocky Mountain region to a high of 13.7 in the Northeast.

  3. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by cdskier View Post
    Where are you seeing that 5.8 number? In looking at NSAA data (latest I can find is for the 2016/17 season), it ranges from a low of 9.1 in the Rocky Mountain region to a high of 13.7 in the Northeast.
    I calculated it myself. You need to take the number of domestic skier visits per year (from one data set) & then divide it by the total number of estimated skiers (from another data set), which equals 5.8 days.

    EDIT: If you want to use the 2016-2017 figures (better snow year), the number inches up to 5.9 days, so it was pretty static for those two seasons.
    Last edited by BenedictGomez; Apr 9, 2019 at 11:39 PM.
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  4. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by BenedictGomez View Post
    I calculated it myself. You need to take the number of domestic skier visits per year (from one data set) & then divide it by the total number of estimated skiers (from another data set), which equals 5.8 days.

    EDIT: If you want to use the 2016-2017 figures (better snow year), the number inches up to 5.9 days, so it was pretty static for those two seasons.
    That logic doesn't exactly make sense as it would be diluted by non-passholder visits, no? The numbers I mentioned were straight out of the NSAA journal article where they've already done the calculations using a variety of other data they collect.

  5. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by cdskier View Post
    That logic doesn't exactly make sense as it would be diluted by non-passholder visits, no?
    I thought you just wanted to know how many days the average skier/snowboarder hits the mountain. Didn't know you were only concerned with either EPIC or IKON people.

    Though if we take what we know of the NSAA numbers, the EPIC numbers, and the IKON numbers, it means that roughly 13% of all skiers/snowboards are on either an EPIC or an IKON a pass. That seems pretty significant to me (and it's growing).
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  6. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by BenedictGomez View Post
    I thought you just wanted to know how many days the average skier/snowboarder hits the mountain. Didn't know you were only concerned with either EPIC or IKON people.

    Though if we take what we know of the NSAA numbers, the EPIC numbers, and the IKON numbers, it means that roughly 13% of all skiers/snowboards are on either an EPIC or an IKON a pass. That seems pretty significant to me (and it's growing).
    I think you’re missing my original premise that lead to us discussing average visits per season Passholder. My argument was that it is silly for some people to complain that “ikon pass holders are skiing for free at partner resorts” unless they are also going to say the same thing about season Passholders that ski more than x number of days. And my theory was that some of the people saying ikon Passholders are skiing for “free” are also people that happen to be in that category of skiing enough days on their season pass to drop their per day cost rather low (potentially even lower than whatever rate the mountain is getting for an ikon visit).


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  7. #77
    Short version, if one was a season pass holder at a mountain before it became part of a multi resort pass, chances are that you're not as happy with the multi resort pass, and what it's done to crowd volume and your "day to day" experience at your home hill as one who wasn't a passholder and bought a multi resort pass because of the deal it is and the opportunities it opens up for many.

    This second subset seems to be skiing more per season than they did pre pass purchasing. There are still LOTS of people who only ski 1 or 2 Holiday weekends a year and then may 1 or 2 other random days during the season. Most AZ members are far from typical when it comes to how often we ski per year
    '07--08 season: 51 Days, '08-'09 season: 55 Days, '09-'10 season: 41 Days, '10-'11 season: 49 days, '11-'12 season: 40 Days '12-'13 season: 57 days, '13-'14 season, 60 days '14-'15 season 60 days, '15-'16 season 52 days, '16-'17 season: 50 days, '17-'18 season 52 days, '07-'18 seasons: 567 Days

    '18 - '19 season
    November: 17.18,23,25 (Mount Snow)
    December: 1,15,16,22,23,26,29,20 (Mount Snow) 31 (Berkshire East)
    January: 5 (Bromley) 6,12,19,20,21,26 (Mount Snow) 13 (Stratton) 27 (Wachusett)
    February: 2 (Bromley) 3 (Jiminy Peak) 9,10,16,17,23,24 (Mount Snow) 18 (Magic)
    March: 1,2 (Sugarbush) 3 (Pico) 9 (Bromley) 10 (Magic) 16,18,23,30,31 (Mount Snow) 17 (Stratton) 24 (Pats Peak)
    April: 6.7 (Mount Snow)

  8. #78
    Next year it's Sun Valley & Snowbasin's turn to bitch.

    I think the wailing & gnashing of teeth may be especially strong from the Sun Valley regulars (for good reason).
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenedictGomez View Post
    Next year it's Sun Valley & Snowbasin's turn to bitch.

    I think the wailing & gnashing of teeth may be especially strong from the Sun Valley regulars (for good reason).
    Snowbasin is set to be a lot busier.


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  10. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by thetrailboss View Post
    Snowbasin is set to be a lot busier.
    I was surprised how "locals" of a mountain that place is. One long-time skier told me he thinks it's 80% local Utahns, maybe more. I believe him too, as it seemed everyone I shared a chair with was local. Ogden's playground.
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