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    I get holding your thumb on the scale a bit, but. . .

    I know this subject gets kicked around a lot on this forum, but I think some of the snow report "embellishment" that's gone on this last week is really out of control this time. Jay reporting almost 3 feet of new snow in the last 7 days. Burke saying 31" of new snow. Cannon claiming 19" of new. Etc, etc, etc.

    Come on gang. It was a GREAT late season snow storm. But almost 3 feet of it at Jay?? No, I was there and this storm was their only new snow for several days. It was maybe a foot and a half and even that may be a stretch, probably more like 14-15"s. I am 6 feet tall, 3 ft deep means that I would have been skiing waist deep snow. Shin deep - yes probably. Waist = NFW. With the way the wind was blowing I am not sure how the heck you would have measured it accurately anyway. You could have measured 6 feet of it in some of the blown in places and 0" in the wind scoured other places.



    I get that this storm gave all of the areas the opportunity to get some hype out of it and maybe pump up late season ski visits. But for some reason "excessive over-hyping of snow totals" just bugs me. I am OK with a little bit of "thumb on the scale" measuring but at least keep it reasonable.
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    Sugarbush was very accurate on the last storm. I was there and actually used a measuring tape to check how much snow we had on Friday midday when there were whiteout conditions for a while.

    I skied at Lincoln Peak on Friday and Saturday afternoons and at Mt Ellen on Saturday and Sunday and Sugarbush could have easily embellished the snow totals with the depth of the snow drifts but kept it real by reporting 26" from the storm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitey View Post
    I know this subject gets kicked around a lot on this forum, but I think some of the snow report "embellishment" that's gone on this last week is really out of control this time. Jay reporting almost 3 feet of new snow in the last 7 days. Burke saying 31" of new snow. Cannon claiming 19" of new. Etc, etc, etc.

    Come on gang. It was a GREAT late season snow storm. But almost 3 feet of it at Jay?? No, I was there and this storm was their only new snow for several days. It was maybe a foot and a half and even that may be a stretch, probably more like 14-15"s. I am 6 feet tall, 3 ft deep means that I would have been skiing waist deep snow. Shin deep - yes probably. Waist = NFW. With the way the wind was blowing I am not sure how the heck you would have measured it accurately anyway. You could have measured 6 feet of it in some of the blown in places and 0" in the wind scoured other places.

    I get that this storm gave all of the areas the opportunity to get some hype out of it and maybe pump up late season ski visits. But I don't know for some reason "excessive over-hyping of snow totals" just bugs me. I am OK with a little bit of "thumb on the scale" measuring but at least keep it reasonable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitey View Post
    I know this subject gets kicked around a lot on this forum, but I think some of the snow report "embellishment" that's gone on this last week is really out of control this time. Jay reporting almost 3 feet of new snow in the last 7 days. Burke saying 31" of new snow. Cannon claiming 19" of new. Etc, etc, etc.

    Come on gang. It was a GREAT late season snow storm. But almost 3 feet of it at Jay?? No, I was there and this storm was their only new snow for several days. It was maybe a foot and a half and even that may be a stretch, probably more like 14-15"s. I am 6 feet tall, 3 ft deep means that I would have been skiing waist deep snow. Shin deep - yes probably. Waist = NFW. With the way the wind was blowing I am not sure how the heck you would have measured it accurately anyway. You could have measured 6 feet of it in some of the blown in places and 0" in the wind scoured other places.

    I get that this storm gave all of the areas the opportunity to get some hype out of it and maybe pump up late season ski visits. But I don't know for some reason "excessive over-hyping of snow totals" just bugs me. I am OK with a little bit of "thumb on the scale" measuring but at least keep it reasonable.
    Snow does settle. 3 feet of snow has a decent amount of water content in it, and with all that water comes a lot of weight. Also, if it has been several hours since that snow fell it will naturally compact even further. If it warms up it compacts even faster. Ive seen a three foot dump lose a foot of depth in a matter of hours. NOAA should have some weather stations around that could provide a barometer to measure it by.

    Also, depending on timing, if it snowed all day while they were open it naturally is going to get packed down. We get a lot of 2-3 day storms out here that have impressive inch numbers (40+) but you'll never actually ski more than boot deep snow, at least in bounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WWF-VT View Post
    I skied at Lincoln Peak on Friday and Saturday afternoons and at Mt Ellen on Saturday and Sunday and Sugarbush could have easily embellished the snow totals with the depth of the snow drifts but kept it real by reporting 26" from the storm.
    Like I said, it was a GREAT late season storm. But come on, man - put down the Kool-aid, you've had enough. Without wind aided blow-in they didn't get more than knee deep powder (i.e. 26") from this storm. It sounds good at the bar but it's not reality. It is certainly not "very accurate". I was further north and higher elevation, and Jay didn't even get 26". Even though they claim 35".

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    They are trying to compete with...Alta...I mean 400 inches...really....
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    Has Cannon been embellishing their snowfall totals? They seem to have outpaced Willdcat in most years recently (Willdcat claims a 207 inch average compared to 160 at Cannon and seems to generally have more snow on the ground). I could see Cannon getting more than Willdcat over a full season here and there, but it feels like it's been years since Willdcat reported significantly more snow in a season than Cannon. I assumed the discrepancy was due to Willdcat's reporter not adding up every last inch, but given the first post here and how frequently Cannon has topped it's average recently, it makes me wonder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitey View Post
    Like I said, it was a GREAT late season storm. But come on, man - put down the Kool-aid, you've had enough. Without wind aided blow-in they didn't get more than knee deep powder (i.e. 26") from this storm. It sounds good at the bar but it's not reality. It is certainly not "very accurate". I was further north and higher elevation, and Jay didn't even get 26". Even though they claim 35".
    I guess I must have bought a defective Stanley Tape Measure

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdironRider View Post
    Snow does settle. 3 feet of snow has a decent amount of water content in it, and with all that water comes a lot of weight. Also, if it has been several hours since that snow fell it will naturally compact even further. If it warms up it compacts even faster. Ive seen a three foot dump lose a foot of depth in a matter of hours. NOAA should have some weather stations around that could provide a barometer to measure it by.

    Also, depending on timing, if it snowed all day while they were open it naturally is going to get packed down. We get a lot of 2-3 day storms out here that have impressive inch numbers (40+) but you'll never actually ski more than boot deep snow, at least in bounds.
    Good points. I hadn't really thought that much about the methodology of snow measuring. I guess I just kind of assumed that it was a "5 minutes after the last flake falls we'll run out and put yard stick in it and see how much fell" kind of thing. The compacting thing could be a factor but I still think there was/is a lot of embellishment going on in New England ski country last weekend.

    But part of my issue was that I did ski stuff in the woods and elsewhere that hadn't been touched by anyone yet and I did so in the last few hours of the storm and there was no way it was anywhere near 3 feet. So when I saw them reporting that my BS detector started banging away loudly. Kind of like when WWF said he skis with a Stanley measuring tape in his pocket and stops and takes snow measurements on a powder day. Well maybe not banging as loudly as that example. . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitey View Post
    Like I said, it was a GREAT late season storm. But come on, man - put down the Kool-aid, you've had enough. Without wind aided blow-in they didn't get more than knee deep powder (i.e. 26") from this storm. It sounds good at the bar but it's not reality. It is certainly not "very accurate". I was further north and higher elevation, and Jay didn't even get 26". Even though they claim 35".
    Sorry, you can say what you want, but I agree with WWF. Sugarbush's numbers were accurate from what I experienced first hand. Don't forget that the 26" was a 2 day total. So some got skied on Friday and packed down and/or skied off before more fell Friday night.

    NWS officially reported 16" in the valley. There absolutely was easily 10" additional (if not more) on the mountain vs what was in the valley. Are you saying the NWS reports are embellishing as well?

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