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    Quote Originally Posted by AdironRider View Post
    Attitash is barely over an hour from Seacoast NH, which in case you haven't looked lately, has got a whole grip of money. Exeter, Rye, Portsmouth, Hampton, all have high incomes/property values and have large populations of outdoor enthusiasts.

    Barely anyone flies into Burlington to ski Stowe. It is cheaper and easier to fly out West.
    Wildcat is only 15 minutes further than Attitash. North Conway area has a lot of rental beds as well.
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    Wildcat doesn't really have the infastructure for Vail to make any money on though. Despite Attitash being the Hampton Beach of skiing, they have a ton of activities Vail can make money on.
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    If by barely over an hour you mean 1:45, I'd agree with you. My best time from Newmarket to Attitash is 1:35. Wildcat 1:50. More commonly it's 1:45 and 2 respectively. I tend to drive 10 to 15 mph over the speed limit whenever possible on 16, which is next to never due to slow pokes. Portsmouth would only be 10-15 minutes closer. Hampton area about the same as Newmarket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thetrailboss View Post
    And, once again, we are all shown that Vail is not too eager to buy a place that needs a lot of work to reopen (such as Saddleback) and is more inclined to go with established brands (Stowe, Triple Peaks, Peaks Resorts). Anyone think that Boyne will cash out? Sugarbush (Win is getting old)?
    As long as Win can keep skiing 100+ days a season, he's not letting Sugarbush go. Don't expect Sugarbush to be bought out by any large company any time soon.


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    I always thought driving up 108 to 16 took longer than 15 minutes, but it has been a hot minute. I was mores referencing Portsmouth though where the most money is now.

    Without giving it away, you take the shortcut around N Conway also right for Attitash? I used to be able to boogie and get there from my place in Exeter in about 1:30, but that was always super early in the morning. Coming back did take longer.

    Either way, those are short drive times relatively for EC skiing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thetrailboss View Post

    And, once again, we are all shown that Vail is not too eager to buy a place that needs a lot of work to reopen (such as Saddleback) and is more inclined to go with established brands (Stowe, Triple Peaks, Peaks Resorts). Anyone think that Boyne will cash out? Sugarbush (Win is getting old)?
    Win is a young 70 and still very much in the thick of running Sugarbush and skiing 100+ days. He and his family have a lot of history that pre-dates by decades his ownership. I would expect a well thought out “passing of the baton” to a like minded person/group/family member rather than a cash out to Vail. IMHO.
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    I also don't see Sugarbush making any moves. Win loves where he is at, and would only sell to a like minded group.

    Attitash could "fit" in to the classic Vail experience, but it is going to take some capital to get it there. The place was run down under ASC and Peak has not done much to reverse it.

    Not sure if they will have to divest but if so, I think it would be the Cat or Crotched before Attitash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdironRider View Post
    I always thought driving up 108 to 16 took longer than 15 minutes, but it has been a hot minute. I was mores referencing Portsmouth though where the most money is now.

    Without giving it away, you take the shortcut around N Conway also right for Attitash? I used to be able to boogie and get there from my place in Exeter in about 1:30, but that was always super early in the morning. Coming back did take longer.

    Either way, those are short drive times relatively for EC skiing.
    Regardless of how you slice the drive time from anywhere in NE, Attitash is quite different than any area VR owned previously. It is a large, but primarily day trip oriented mountain. That doesn't mean it isn't a good idea for Vail invest here and run Attitash, but it is different and who is to say if Vail plans on keeping them or not.

    People legit to fly to BTV and ski Stowe. It is stupid, and nothing compared to the traffic DEN gets, but it is very much a thing. Hell there are private airlines and semi-private airlines flying into smaller airstrips that do get use in the winter. Stowe has MONEY, the Mountain Washington Valley (or Portsmouth NH) does not come close in that regard.

    All that said it would be nice if VR did invest a bit more in the now very dated amenities of the resort at Attitash. It seems like a waste of space right now that has potential. They should also groom Attitash less...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newpylong View Post
    I also don't see Sugarbush making any moves. Win loves where he is at, and would only sell to a like minded group.

    Attitash could "fit" in to the classic Vail experience, but it is going to take some capital to get it there. The place was run down under ASC and Peak has not done much to reverse it.

    Not sure if they will have to divest but if so, I think it would be the Cat or Crotched before Attitash.
    Didn't see this before I posted. Absolutely agree that Attitash could fit and I personally hope it does fit in as it means there will be investment in the place.

    Definitely see Wildcat going first. Crotched I could see being more in the vision than Attitash simply because Vail might not want to deal with the lifts and deferred maintenance at Attitash. I think it was you who was talking about the problems with the snowmaking system nevermind the lift situation.

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