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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by thebigo View Post
    Maybe but I have assume there is profit in season passes, seasonal programs, booze, pizza and lodging.



    With the notable exception of condo owners, people are not tied to a mountain and the ikon mountains are destroying epic early season. I suspect my family will spend more this year on early season k/sr tickets, peak passes and k spring pass than on a ragged/ikon combo. At some point we need to run the numbers and make a decision on next year.
    Season passes is where it can get important to open early or close late. Look how A Basin leaving the Epic Pass affected Vail in Colorado: Vail was forced to open up Keystone early, and is now planning on closing Breck late. I'm sure that they lose money on the days on the edges of the season, but by doing so they keep people on the Vail pass products.

    The question is: do skiers on the east coast also consider early openings and late closing when deciding who to buy their pass from? That will determine how Vail plays this game.

    While the Ikon pass clearly wins the early opening game with Killington and Sunday River, keep in mind that even many who do have the Ikon Pass are reluctant to use one of their 5 or 7 days during the early season. This isn't the case with Vail's unlimited days for its mountains.

  2. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Smellytele View Post
    Wildcat is performing as they usually do. They blew in upper lynx and said they finished up and then they started on middle and lower lynx and were blowing at the base. Nothing less than they usually do.
    yup

    last 15 years opening days

    10/27
    11/11
    11/24
    11/25
    11/9
    11/23
    11/22
    12/18
    12/11
    12/11
    11/28
    11/30
    12/8
    10/28 - freak 4 foot storm, closed again after a few days
    12/8

    People forget that even with the snowmaking upgrade five years ago, they don't really have the capacity to blow a full trail top to bottom. They also have about the smallest snowmaking reservoir in New England. It refills pretty quick though.

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  3. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by crazy View Post
    keep in mind that even many who do have the Ikon Pass are reluctant to use one of their 5 or 7 days during the early season. This isn't the case with Vail's unlimited days for its mountains.
    Killington already has a spring pass, they should come out with a fall ”early bird” pass that is good from opening until the day before Thanksgiving. And a fall + spring pass.

  4. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Glenn View Post
    I kept thinking the mountains in SoVT were opening early with a tentative 11/23 first chair date. Then I realized Thanksgiving was later this year.
    Wouldn't you have thought they were opening late in that case?
    2018-19:
    Killington: 10/20, 11/15, 5/4, 6/1
    Okemo: 11/16, 11/22, 11/24, 12/2, 12/15, 12/16, 1/25, 1/26, 3/8, 3/9, 3/23, 3/24
    Stratton: 11/23, 12/3, 2/22, 3/3
    Sugarbush: 12/1
    Catamount: 12/31, 1/19
    Mohawk: 1/21
    Stowe: 1/24
    Jiminy Peak: 2/9
    Mount Southington: 2/16
    Mount Snow: 2/23
    Pico: 3/2

  5. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by urungus View Post
    Killington already has a spring pass, they should come out with a fall ”early bird” pass that is good from opening until the day before Thanksgiving. And a fall + spring pass.
    I would first in line for a k blackout pass but there are capacity issues early season. With the exception of free t shirt day in june, there are no spring issues with capacity. Killington knows they offer a premium service early season and expect you to pay for it.

    Sr offered an early season pass at one point, only lasted one season if I recollect.
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  6. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by urungus View Post
    Killington already has a spring pass, they should come out with a fall ”early bird” pass that is good from opening until the day before Thanksgiving. And a fall + spring pass.
    In the modern pass era, where the IKON holders now have the option of using their limited K days from day 1 of the season, why would K want to potentially put more people on the limited acreage than they already have now?

    The Spring market demand falls off quickly as "the masses" start to engage in other, non ski activities. The Fall market is a whole different animal with lots of pent up demand, and not a bunch of other family sports obligations going on

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  7. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by deadheadskier View Post
    yup

    last 15 years opening days

    10/27
    11/11
    11/24
    11/25
    11/9
    11/23
    11/22
    12/18
    12/11
    12/11
    11/28
    11/30
    12/8
    10/28 - freak 4 foot storm, closed again after a few days
    12/8

    People forget that even with the snowmaking upgrade five years ago, they don't really have the capacity to blow a full trail top to bottom. They also have about the smallest snowmaking reservoir in New England. It refills pretty quick though.

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    Solution is a new catapult chair but it will never happen.

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  8. #38
    Feel bad for the Mt Snow peeps. Previous years they'd make top notch early season effort. Yesterday from Killington Peak it was clear there was a lot more snow on the north face of Stratton than Mt Snow. I get that its a business, but Vail may need to learn the ways of the locals. POWDR had to, and after some serious missteps, have become excellent stewards of the mountain.

  9. #39
    good times at Killington yesterday

    great northern was open from the start so no hike down

    good snow on upper dipper and east fall all day. rime got a bit slick. reason was generally too crowded with park kids to bother skiing the edges of it.

    dj at the bottom of the chair, spinning music that was just all over the place. Dead, stones, weird early 90s corny stuff, some electronic music. weird mix but nice to have music and a party atmosphere. outdoor grill set up for burgers and dogs.

    lines were long, but it’s a the first Saturday of the season, nothing else in the state is open, it’s a beautiful day, and it snowed 2 days ago. lots of people complaining about the lines and crowds, and it’s like “hey man you’re a part of the line and crowd you’re complaining about, what did you expect, just enjoy the day and relax”

    new k-1 parking and lodge situation is a bit of a pain, but that’s the price of progress. I shudder at the thought of the World Cup crowd amongst this infrastructure. Dressing and undressing in the lodge is less attractive now since you need to trudge across the snow to get to the parking lot. Will be easier this year to dress in car and then just walk straight to lift. I’ll be parking at Bear a lot.

    We stopped at basin sports and got my girlfriend set up with boots, worked with Steve. She’s a true beginner in her 2nd season and last year her seasonal rentals gave her hell. i think this was an investment in her comfort that will have a big ROI for me

    Welcome back to ski season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spiderpig View Post
    Wouldn't you have thought they were opening late in that case?
    Good long term forecast?

    Ive never understood opening in October! But it happens, when the weather allows it.

    So my guess is they expect people coming!

    Someone mention no other competing activities. I quite agree. I find myself in that camp. Too cold to bike (I mean ENJOY biking). I wouldn’t pay to ski, as the skier/inch-of-snow too high. But now I have a pass, it changes the calculation.

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