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    So my friends were not so off the mark. Actually I heard more thought better of saying anything. I find it somewhat disappointing but I guess like Machski is saying, they are the better fit. We will see.

    Now I have a new owner that I can badger with my snowmaking wants! LOL


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    It’s a great happening IMO. Hard to compete as an independent these days. New chair for heavens gate please, then grant Hawks wish for snowmaking....... let the games begin........

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    Quote Originally Posted by eastern powder baby View Post
    I was too young to follow the ASC antitrust issues, but it seems that it was argued that competition in very localized areas was no longer possible (e.g. the white mountains). I wish I could think of where I read it, but from what I remember, Vail and Alterra "own" a much smaller share of US skier visits than I world have thought.

    Maybe the two mega companies own too much NH/VT market share to buy Jay Peak now, though?

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    Per numbers in the already mentioned in this thread book by Chris Diamond, Ski Inc. 2020 (which as an FYI is a very interesting read for anyone with some interest in the modern business of the ski industry and the rise of the mega passes) that Alterra and Vail resorts and their owned and/or partner properties are now accounting for around 50% of total ski visits annually.

    I think the anti trust difference today vs in the ASC era has a bit to do with the changes in federal regulatory oversight as well as that Alterra and Vail Resorts as well as other players like Boyne in one sense offset each other more so than Intrawest at the time offset what ASC had

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    Quote Originally Posted by hovercraft View Post
    It’s a great happening IMO. Hard to compete as an independent these days. New chair for heavens gate please, then grant Hawks wish for snowmaking....... let the games begin........
    I don't really see a HG replacement as a priority considering all the work they put into it a few years ago. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd rather see them focus on Hawk's snowmaking upgrade first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdskier View Post
    I don't really see a HG replacement as a priority considering all the work they put into it a few years ago. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd rather see them focus on Hawk's snowmaking upgrade first.

    The new owners have easier access to capital. I bet there's a new HG chair and significant snowmaking improvements, and two new lodges at mount ellen, and a new health club and hotel.

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    I’d like the lodge at the top of Gatehouse, gondola cabins on Slide Brook and terrain expansion at North. And snowmaking.

  7. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by cdskier View Post
    I don't really see a HG replacement as a priority considering all the work they put into it a few years ago. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd rather see them focus on Hawk's snowmaking upgrade first.
    I think they need both. It’s really a bad lift and snowmaking is a big part of the game. Especially after a rain event. Need to rebound quickly....

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    Quote Originally Posted by hovercraft View Post
    I think they need both. It’s really a bad lift and snowmaking is a big part of the game. Especially after a rain event. Need to rebound quickly....
    Curious what you think is so bad about HG? Reliability has not been an issue at all the past couple seasons. Capacity I wouldn't want to see increased as I don't think the trails at the summit could handle more traffic. It is on wind hold enough as is, so no way you'd want to go to a detachable and make it even worse in the wind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdskier View Post
    Curious what you think is so bad about HG? Reliability has not been an issue at all the past couple seasons. Capacity I wouldn't want to see increased as I don't think the trails at the summit could handle more traffic. It is on wind hold enough as is, so no way you'd want to go to a detachable and make it even worse in the wind.

    I think the lift was installed in the mid 80's and as much as I'd like it not to be the case, that was a long time ago. So its pushing 40 years old. It is slow. The departure terminal is badly situated. A new quad like the valley house is coming hopefully sooner rather than later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tumbler View Post
    Id like the lodge at the top of Gatehouse, gondola cabins on Slide Brook and terrain expansion at North. And snowmaking.
    Those old maps with the terrain above Inverness and down to Lower FIS looks great. Would make North feel as though it was equal size as South almost. ROI is the question of course

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